New push in Legislature to allow guns in frat houses, college stadiums

And speaking of the Legislature…

Two new bills in the Legislature revive last year’s debate about guns on Georgia’s college campuses, but the AJC says passage is unlikely.

According to the AJC’s Aaron Gould Sheinin: “The bills face long odds of passage this year. Rep. John Meadows, R-Calhoun, who co-sponsored last year’s major rewrite of Georgia’s gun laws, told The Atlanta Journal-Constitution that he’s not interested in pursuing gun legislation again this year. Meadows is also chairman of the Rules Committee, which decides which bills make it to the House floor for a vote.”

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The GunSense Georgia Coalition issued this statement about the gun bills introduced yesterday:

The GunSense Georgia Coalition has pledged to fight two new gun bills introduced yesterday by freshman House Representative Heath Clark, R-Warner Robbins. House 544 would force the University System of Georgia to allow anyone with a concealed weapons license permit to bring loaded, concealed guns on to all 30 public college and university campuses, including fraternity and sorority houses and sports stadiums.

HB 543, called the “Constitutional Carry” bill, would eliminate the legal requirement of obtaining a permit to carry a gun, with few exceptions, for anyone over 21.

Eight out of 10 Georgians opposed the policy of “campus carry” according to an ABT SRBI poll conducted in January 2014.  The provision was eliminated from HB 60, widely known as the “guns everywhere bill,” which was signed into law last year.

“We are appalled that this is back, “said Kathryn Grant with the Campaign to Keep Guns Off Campus, an organization that is part of the GunSense Georgia Coalition. “Not only will HB 544 jeopardize the safety of our campus communities but it is a very expensive proposition. A similar bill before the Texas legislature is going to cost that state $47 million to implement. Who is going to pay for HB 544? Georgia’s students and taxpayers would ultimately bear the cost.”

The second bill, HB 543, would allow further unrestricted access to guns by removing all permitting requirements (under current law, no training is required to purchase a gun or obtain a concealed weapons license). The premise of Constitutional carry is that the 2nd amendment is the only requirement necessary and that you should not have to “ask the state for permission,” according to Representative Clark.

“This is outrageous,” said Lissie Stahlman, a co-founder of GunSense Georgia. “In 2008, the Supreme Court’s Heller Decision, written by Justice Scalia, ruled that the 2nd amendment does not preclude state and local controls for the sake of public safety.  But, the radical gun lobby’s agenda is to arm all citizens without any restrictions at all,” added Stahlman. “Without requiring a permit process, how do we know those who are carrying guns are law-abiding or mentally stable?  The answer is we would not know.”

 

 

 

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Infantryman6502
Infantryman6502

im all for it. tired of these criminal only gun zones created by democtrats. the only place in the country were students can wait in line to be executed until someone with a firearm shows up to stop the madness.

Bernie31
Bernie31

Yes, Lets makes sure The Hand Cannons are available for USE & Abuse in the Frat Houses of Georgia. A very Wise decision, for those who will laugh at the Demise of the many Dead Bodies who will Lay on the ground, floors, as well as stairways. When the raging hormones, along with drunken and drug addicted shooter ceases his/her planned carnage. The individual Parents, can then bring their shovels to scoop them all UP and cart them ALL away.  One thing for sure, we will have fewer Republican Voters Voting and that is a good thing for the People of Georgia and The United States of America. uh..huh.

HypnotistMonkey
HypnotistMonkey

@Bernie31 


Falsehoods, misconceptions and ignorance do not serve the public's best interest. We have perfect examples with the colleges and universities that do not criminalize lawful citizen carry. It's just that many, including much of the media choose to ignore those examples of how the basis of your retort is completely B.S.


The "more guns = more violence" following is shrinking, has been for two decades and that is primarily due to education of facts rather than fear mongering prohibitionist.  


Gun ownership is ever increasing and at the highest level in decades. But violence is at all time lows and makes a strong argument that "more guns = less crime". Gun fear mongers promote the false perception that "crime with guns" is an epidemic but the truth is for the past 2 decades is has fallen to all time lows. However, the "justified" homicide rate has tripled which can logically account for the significant drop in crime but that doesn't fit in to the tripe that anti-rights groups and folks like you are selling.


The American public is not buying it, less and less. Most DO NOT favor stricter gun laws than we already enjoy. In fact most aren't aware of the over 2,000 gun laws that "regulate" the right to not be infringed. If they were the number would rise.


NICS (federal back ground checks) are increasing every year and not typically required if a vetted citizen has been processed like a criminal finger/palm/hand printed, photographed, registered and paid a fee to exercise a "right". Thirteen years in reflection: http://www.nssf.org/PDF/research/NICS/11_Nov12_NSSF-AdjustedNICS.pdf


Some estimate there are eight guns for every ten people and those are the guns we know about: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country Just one gun manufacturer and not the largest has record number of sales, 1.2 million in just one year (2013). http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2012/02/robert-farago/ruger-sales-go-ballistic-too-much-too-fast/


It honestly takes the wind out of bags who claim "more guns" create more crime. Firearms deaths have been on a steady decline for a decade despite the huge influx of "legal" guns and new gun owners of which women are the fastest growing demographic.  http://webappa.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/mortrate10_us.html


Despite the huge increases in firearms, firearms owners and vetted permit carrying gun carriers the U.S. hasn't been this peaceful in over 33 years. It's important to consider that during the spikes of murder it correlates to "prohibition" to previously legal items such as alcohol and drugs which give rise to and fund organized crime and gangs. http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=95379


But accidental deaths by firearms must be at unheard levels. Chirp, chirp, chirp, the media crickets, actually the accidental death rates have fallen as well for over a decade and that's RAW NUMBERS not rates. In context there are over 308 million people in the U.S. Of those 308 million people, only 600 were accidentally killed with a firearm. That’s a 0.000194% chance that you will be accidentally killed with a gun in any given year. According to the National Safety Counsel, over 12,000 people die every year simply by falling down.

http://danger.mongabay.com/injury_death.htm

http://www.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424127887323689204578573763575086702


Since guns cause crime rather than criminals then we should be experiencing untold high numbers of crime with guns, right? If we assume that a different gun was used for every robbery, murder and assault, then that number comes out to 460,718 firearms. That’s 0.185% of all guns in the United States. For reference, every year 2.13% of all motor vehicles are involved in a collision. http://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=nvat


But, but, but folks who carry firearms are "MORE" "DANGEROUS":  the statement that concealed carry would bring “blood in the streets.” That these “gun nuts” who carry guns everywhere they go are just “looking for trouble” and itching to kill someone. Well, that’s just not right either. Vetted permit carry holders are actually  safer and commit less crime than police, really! Florida has the highest murder rate among concealed carry holders and that those numbers put the murder rate at somewhere around .58/100,000. Counting domestic homicides only, police officers committed 1.85/100,000 over the same time period. Nationally, the murder rate in the United States sits right around 4.5/100,000. Therefore, you’re over three times less likely to be killed in a room filled with concealed carry holders than police officers. Wuuuut?


http://www.wctv.tv/news/headlines/70280587.html 

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/11/dean-weingarten/note-to-vpc-have-you-looked-at-police-involved-homicides/


But think of the "children" but let's use 21-24 year olds and below to help lubricate that belief. Despite most states enacting more liberal gun "control" laws and restoring once held rights the "children" killed by firearm rates have been steadily dropping for two decades per the CDC. This article scrutinizes this: http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/01/foghorn/ny-times-keeping-guns-away-from-children-is-pure-propaganda/













HypnotistMonkey
HypnotistMonkey

@Bernie31 


Tragically about 150 children die by a firearm a year. However, many times that die in a pool which is much less prevalent than guns in our society.

But 90% of Americans want more gun restriction, regulation and outright bans, right? Not actually if you investigate and anyone professing that 90% of Americans agree on anything is likely a idiot. Polls paid for by an individual or group should be suspect of "manipulation" to achieve a desired response. A Gallup poll discovered the opposite.

Fewer and fewer people every year believe that gun control is a good idea. The numbers of supporters have been steadily dropping since 2002, and with the exception of a small spike in 2012 (just after the Newtown shooting) that trend has been steady. The real surprise is that the percentage of people who think gun control laws should be less strict has been steadily on the rise, and in 2014 that number tripled to 16%.

Gun anti-rights advocates claim that the vast majority of Americans support new gun control laws. In reality, 56% of Americans either want gun laws to stay the same or become less strict.

The burden of proof rest on gun control advocates. Blood in the streets, dead children, arguments ending in gun fights, the wild west, and gun free zones never occurred with each incremental step of restoring citizen's once held second amendment rights. But is the loud, monotonous bleat and argument for nearly every infringement of the right to not be infringed.

But carry on carrying on.


HypnotistMonkey
HypnotistMonkey

The critical element in this debate is the necessity to ignore any positive benefit that an armed society provides.

Based on decades of honest peer reviewed criminology data in academics and the federal level (DOJ/FBI/CDC), armed citizens “effectively” deter violent crime. In the majority of encounters they don’t even require a fired shot. Just the capability deters the violence.


However, armed citizens shoot more criminals and injure less innocent bystanders than our “trained” police. Fact check it, it’s true.


So are honest armed citizens a threat to society or asset?


What is the revocation rate of the citizens with carry permits? These citizens who paid a “poll tax”, were recorded like a common criminal and if in error allow the “permit” to expire to exercise a “right” then be at risk to become one have a permit revocation rate of less than 1%. Most of those are for non-violent offenses.


Scrutinized further these citizens have lower overall crime rates than the rest of our society but the bleat is wolf, a threat to public safety. Is that true? Are they a threat? What has occurred in the states that have adopted liberal pro-gun carry laws within their respect states? Begin with 1986 when 16 or so states had carry laws to today all states including our capitol must have some form of carry.


The violent crime rates have been dropping for decades despite the exponential increase in lawful citizen carry, the huge influx of lawful firearms and new gun owners. But some "experts" claim liberal pro-gun laws don’t increase violent crime nor reduce it. It has a neutral impact?


Consider who creates most of the crime; violent repeat career criminals, who with each crime the act becomes more violent until they murder their victims. Jessie Jackson’s Rainbow Coalition made a fuss about the “justified” homicide rates tripling in states with liberal pro-gun rights. In other words criminals deserving of a bullet got one. That is not a problem in my opinion which may have a credible impact on dropping violent crime rates and recidivism reduction.

The outrageous thing is just how many “citizens” do not comprehend just what a “right” is nor tolerating its loss. We will only retain the rights we fight for no more and no less.

Falcaints
Falcaints

That dude has never been to a frat party if he thinks guns should be allowed.

Concerned American
Concerned American

You would be surprised at the amount of students that conceal carry already on campuses.  My whole group of friends did all through college.  If you "CONCEAL" carry the right way, no one will ever know you have the gun.  People have a right to defend themselves against crazy people.  The crazy people are not going to say "hey, this is a gun free campus so I'm not going to shoot anyone here."  You gun control advocates are ignorant for thinking that is the case.  The average response time for campus police at the college I attended in Georgia is 6 minutes.  I don't have 6 minutes to wait, so that's why I protect myself. Simple as that.  For all of you ignorant gun control folks, don't carry if you don't want to.  That's your choice.  I, however, know how inefficient the government is at everything, so I'm not relying on them for protection.  Wait til you get robbed or kidnapped.  You will agree then.   

Lee_CPA2
Lee_CPA2

"The premise of Constitutional carry is that the 2nd amendment is the only requirement necessary and that you should not have to “ask the state for permission,” according to Representative Clark."

Rep Clark is correct.  But, when you have the Attorney General of the United States arming drug cartels in a foreign country, I guess upholding the Constitution is not first and foremost on their minds.....

HypnotistMonkey
HypnotistMonkey

@Lee_CPA2 


That would be a fair assessment.


Five states currently attempt to honor the purpose and intent of "our" bill of rights and a sixth nearly all of the state does. The concept that the second amendment does actually mean what it says is unfathomable by a segment of our society. Most do believe it means that they have a right to possess a weapon but will sacrifice liberty for a false promise of security created on a bed of true and honest fear mongering covered in lies and half-truths with a side order of "feelings".

Wascatlady
Wascatlady

Don't like the refs' call?  Take 'em out!

RafeHollister
RafeHollister

Are any of you naive enough to think there are no guns on campus now?  if so, you probably think college kids don't have illegal drugs on campus either.


You can keep the guns out of the hands of the law abiding kids by fighting this bill.  I don't think that kids on campus should have ready access to guns, but then I don't think they should have ready access to illegal drugs either, but they do.  

booful98
booful98

@RafeHollister So your solution is that since there are drugs, then there should be guns too?? Wow.........

HypnotistMonkey
HypnotistMonkey

@booful98 @RafeHollister 


So criminalizing those who have been vetted by the state, have historically been an asset to public safety and never have been a true threat except to a criminal or corrupt government?


Every bleat for public safety by creating and enforcing laws that restrict or prohibit the public's enumerated rights does quite the opposite. Every Georgia/all states pro-rights law passed faced loud rejection and the false claims regurgitated for the next year, the next law.


Did you hear about all those increased shootings in formerly "prohibited" "gun-free zones"? You know the ones in our highway rest stops, our public parks, sporting events, concerts, our public transportation systems; Marta, the non-sterile areas of the Airports, our restaurants that serve alcohol, our bars, our churches that decriminalize lawful carry in the pews and basically any where lawfully allowed.


Yep, neither did I.

Ralph-43
Ralph-43

Well, the college women are getting smarter about getting drunk at fraternity parties and letting men into their dorm rooms, so how are these poor guys going to get sex?  They are going to need their father's handgun. 

booful98
booful98

Yeah that about cements my position: my kids are going to college out of state. HOPE scholarship isn't worth this.

berniee
berniee

back when i was at uga most of my frat brothers were carrying ,  others just kept them in their cars and their dorm rooms or apartments

OriginalProf
OriginalProf

Before I retired from University teaching, I was sure that I would meet my demise from some crazy student. For some students scapegoat faculty for all their troubles and low grades, and really dislike them. Students can get incredibly angry when they are given bad grades for their hard work. (Many become bloggers later in life.) I am so glad that I managed to get out unscathed before a campus-carry law was passed. The idea of teaching students who might be packing heat is really scary.

HypnotistMonkey
HypnotistMonkey

@OriginalProf 


I'm so very glad you felt so protected by a law that forbid the carry of weapons. It's worked so well at Virginia Tech, the Atlanta Fed Ex building (even the guard was disarmed-he had his feeding tube removed recently), Florida State College, the Colorado Theater Mass Shooting, The Navy Ship yard, Ft Hood, etc. etc. gun free zone that isn't.


It's all about "feelings" and ignorance to honest facts with a liberal embrace of emotional perception.

Infraredguy
Infraredguy

It sure would have made Animal House a more interesting movie

straker
straker

Imagine a frat party at Tech where most of the young men a carrying guns.


They stagger outside and run into a crowd of hoodlums intent of robbing anyone they see. These hoodlums are also carrying guns.


Get the picture?

sssinff
sssinff

@straker A crowd of hoodlums?


You don't get to Midtown much, do you?

Betsy Ross1776
Betsy Ross1776

Sure. Guns in the frat houses. Because drinking till you're drunk out of your mind is just how you want your gun owners to be when they're packing a lethal weapon.
And hey, while we're at it, how about sharpening the scissors in elementary school and tell the kids to run up and down the stairs while carrying an armful of them.
And why wait until they are in elementary school.
Let's put some plastic bags in the cribs with the babies and show them how to put them over their heads to play peek a boo.   

CmdrR1962
CmdrR1962

What is wrong with these people who want guns everywhere? They are sick. Plain and simple.