Yes, teachers get harassed and bullied by students. Here are videos to prove it.

In the wake of the South Carolina viral video last week of a sheriff’s deputy throwing a student across the floor, several readers have chided me for not posting videos showing the other side — teachers and principals being menaced by students.

There are several circulating this week, including a California principal being body slammed by a student.

So, I decided to post two videos making the rounds, both of which involve substitute teachers being harangued by students. But let me address several points:

  1. We expect students to make mistakes and do stupid things. It is part of growing up. Such behaviors need to be addressed and punished. Police officers and educators are professionals. We should expect better of them.

2. These videos are going to lead to the usual comments about inner city schools and “thug students.” But any teacher in any school will tell you disrespect from students is pervasive. We live in uncivil times. Look at this obscenity-filled video of a University of Connecticut student who went ballistic in a campus food court when told there was no more macaroni and cheese with bacon and jalapeno peppers.

The first video is from a Baltimore school where a sub is being harassed by a female student. That video led to a student suspension as the news clip will tell you.

(Having subbed for a week in an all-girls high school, I can testify that girls can dish out some serious abuse to subs.)

The second video is from the Chicago Vocational Career Academy and also involves a sub. Several folks shared the video link with me.

However, the appalling video dates back to 2011, and I am unsure why it found new life now. The students involved are long gone.

Douglas L. Maclin, the principal of the Chicago Vocational Career Academy, has had to address the 4-year-old video, saying:

“We have recently become aware of a very unfortunate video that is being circulated on social media. While that is indeed CVCA, this video predates the current administration. Under our administration, disciplinary actions have been reduced from 1,149 a year to 146 a year. This video does not in any way reflect the current climate; this is not the CVCA way. ”

The Chicago video shows more than just kids acting crazy. It also shows a strangely passive substitute teacher as one commenter noted:

If an administrator would have come into that classroom, the teacher would have been reprimanded for not doing her job. Those children were playing. They were not serious. No one was going to harm her. They were playing because she was not doing her job. The main job of a substitute is to maintain classroom discipline. Did you see her even attempt to do that? Did you see her call someone in, to even step into the hallway and call for help? She should have not been in that classroom. Any teacher worth anything would have done something to control the classroom or, if it was beyond her control, she should have picked up the phone and called someone in. She was more at fault than the students, and this type of story only perpetuates the idea that the police officer who threw the girl at another school was justified.

With that background, here are the two videos. (Warning: Rough language in the second video.) First Baltimore and then Chicago:

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Katherine Leer
Katherine Leer

I am in tears for the poor woman in the second video.  My heart truly goes out to her.  I am a first year teacher and now realize that this is the problem in our schools.  Students are not taught to respect adults, and it is exhausting to deal with it.  At the school where I teach, students are not so violent, but their mouths are bad enough.  At the end of the day, I am depressed and find it difficult to plan lessons.  Administrators do not realize this, but the effectiveness of teachers is often related to the compliance of students.

Chisana Goodwyne Sage
Chisana Goodwyne Sage

It's ridiculous to claim that this teacher "was not doing her job."

A quick glance at this woman's face tells the whole story. She is exhausted, demoralized, and afraid of these out of control kids. She avoids eye contact with them. They are primed and ready to attack.

This whole "they are just playing" nonsense is the PROBLEM and it's bs like this that got us to this point!

Spend some time on YouTube and just watch what these kids are capable of. They are NOT playing. They are VIOLENT. And she is AFRAID. Why do you think she doesn't work there anymore and no one can find her? I guarantee you this woman QUIT and doesn't want to be found.

Our education system is completely hopeless.

readcritic
readcritic

Administrative support for the classroom teacher is imperative but nonexistent. Teachers are bullied by parents, students, and more sadly, by their own administrators. Unfortunately, administrators wield the power and control a teacher's fate through the current TKES evaluation system which allows an inept and vindictive administrator free reign to do a hatchet job on the teacher. A teacher is set-up by being given large class numbers of students who have ankle bracelets, parole officers, anger-management counselors, prior and lengthy discipline records with serious offenses, truancy issues, and little or no prior knowledge or skills due to being passed on year after year. Bad administrators cost the teacher salary increases and ultimately his/her job when the state of Georgia denies renewal of the teacher's Teaching Certificate. Administrators harass veteran teachers and label them as deadwood so they can hire the newer, less expensive employee with no track record or experience and praise them as being innovative and better. The teacher who dares to write discipline referrals is appraised as a "bad" teacher. Diane Stafford in her article on 11/1/2015 was spot on when she wrote that "managers manipulate appraisals more for their own ends than for worker improvement." Even though the "rank and yank" system is dead or dying out in business, schools use it to get rid of those who are not "favored" by administrators. To quote Ms. Stafford, "employee ratings often tell more about the  rater than the rated." Teachers are forced to perform the dog and pony show to entertain students to keep discipline problems to a minimum. Each year schools brag that discipline incidents have been reduced by the administrators, but that is the result of the administrator refusing to deal with and report such incidents in order to look good and stay off the dangerous school list. The teacher who reports student behavior issues is disciplined instead of the disrespectful/disruptive/unruly student. The teacher is then branded as unable to maintain classroom control. Learning is dismantled and scores drop because the student is not held accountable for anything. Teachers are required to accept late work, offer endless retests and extra-credit, and ignore discipline problems in order to keep their jobs. Teachers who try to teach and maintain classroom discipline are bullied, harassed, intimidated, and threatened by the very administrators who are supposed to support them. This happens in small city schools as well as large county schools. School boards and superintendents must start questioning why large numbers of teachers are fleeing their buildings.

dsw2contributor
dsw2contributor

Maureen,


Please, please, please do a blog about the cellphone video 11 Alive broadcast last night -- it shows a 14-year old Dekalb student beating the crap out of a 12-year old Dekalb student.  The 12 year-old was bloodied and given a broken nose!  The beating happened in a supervised detention room at (I believe) Cedar Grove MS.


BCW1
BCW1

I am sorry, if students are taught to respect authority at home, we will not be having these issues. Granted, some adults don't deserve respect, but for the most part you respect authority whether you like them or not. The problem is that the students don't respect their own parents so why would they respect any other adult. This is not a black, white, gender, socio-economic issue, it is a right and wrong issue!


HONOR YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER!!!!

terriergal
terriergal

blame the substitute?  She was trying to tell them what to do and they weren't listening.  What was she supposed to do, paddle them?

Looking4truth
Looking4truth

Current trends in school discipline say teachers have to consider the racial/ethnic background and diagnose their prejudice before delivering discipline.  No wonder teachers are leaving in droves and no one is rushing to replace them.

Gonzo08
Gonzo08

"`1.  We expect students to make mistakes and do stupid things. It is part of growing up. Such behaviors need to be addressed and punished. Police officers and educators are professionals. We should expect better of them."


You're right, students are going to make stupid mistakes.  The issue is they aren't being addressed or punished.  Furthermore, with technology and social media it's very easy for someone to start taking a video and post it for the world to see.  The media goes on an instant witch hunt and doesn't gather any facts before reporting--all they care about is reporting it FIRST .  What the world doesn't get to see are the events leading up to an incident.  We are letting kids get away with everything.  Haven't you noticed that nothing is improving?  We didn't have these issues 25-30 years ago when kids were afraid of getting the paddle/ruler/dad's belt!

Courtney2
Courtney2

As a teacher I used to hate Neal Boortz calling the Government Schools.  But alas he was right.  Public Education is dead.  No one wants to become a teacher and the kids are no longer being educated for fear they might be offended.  A generation of McDonald's workers.  

straker
straker

When I was in school, years ago, we did not have fights inside the buildings, nor did we attack teachers. We did not bring guns, knives or drugs to school. We did not need a police officer to help keep the peace.


Of course, in the 60's, "rights" became everything, responsibilities became nothing, and its been downhill ever since.


Only in America.

rbajc
rbajc

This is the result of school transforming from a place of learning to a place of acceptance, no matter how negative the situation.  In order for any organization, be it a business or school, to succeed, there has to be ground rules, a set of basic understandings by everyone involved.  Ground rules have disappeared, leaving anarchy in the classroom.  Sometimes in life you just have to deal with the negative behavior and get beyond "why" it happened.  We delve into the "why" to appease nonparticipants and this allows the behavior to continue because now they have an excuse.  School is a place of learning, for those who want to learn.  School is a place of acceptance, for those who want to be accepted.  School is not a place of excused criminal behavior, that would be jail.  Behavior in most schools is the worst its ever been.  Statistics paint a different picture because statistics are manipulated by those who benefit the most from the manipulation.  I once taught in Cobb in a school where the Area Superintendent was lauded for the drop in office referrals at our south Cobb school.  The fact that was never made public...teachers were told they could not, under any circumstances, issue an office referral.  Administration would decide what issues would deserve a referral.  Office referral paperwork was removed from the school.  After 25 years of teaching, I no longer was qualified to identify bad behavior.  I was forced to watch it occur without any consequence.  Time for "schools" to get out of social work and return to their purpose, learning.

PJ25
PJ25

This is just 1 of 1000 reasons why you send your kids to private school if you live in metro Atlanta. 

englishteacher14
englishteacher14

Before I became a full-time teacher four years ago, I subbed for about three years around metro Atlanta, and particularly in Gwinnett County. I experienced harassment from students at some of the "nicest" schools in GCPS. At one school, a student threw a chair across a trailer classroom because I asked him to take a seat during bus dismissal. I'm 5'3" and this young man had at least 5 or 6 inches and 50 pounds on me. I called for an administrator, but the entire class left the room to go to the buses. Substitutes are at greater risk for harassment due to the finite amount of time they spend in the classroom- students (who probably exhibit poor behavior with the regular teacher) are more likely to act out with a temporary teacher. 


Thankfully, despite being caught up in a student fight in the cafeteria a year ago, I haven't had any incidents in my classroom since teaching full-time. My main behavior management system involves consistent structure and routine for the class period and immediate, natural consequences; however, I don't always feel supported by my administrators when bigger incidents arise. It usually comes down to what I did or didn't do- not what the student did. Most parents are supportive and responsive, but there is a disturbingly large number of parents who continue to live in denial that their child misbehaves. 


One of the biggest struggles has been curbing cell phone use in the classroom. My teammates and I are especially strict on having devices in our classrooms. Other teachers allow students to have their phones in their pockets during the day, but I'm especially strict on that, even if the cell phone is off. I do this to protect the student, his/her peers, and also myself! I don't want to end up on YouTube! My students think we're too harsh when they see other students walking around school with phones, but I don't care. Kids today (wow, that makes me feel old) have TOO MUCH ACCESS TO EVERYTHING. There are stories of students watching porn under their desks, or sexting in the bathrooms. It's too much, too young. 

jackiethedog
jackiethedog

Sorry but I will point out the fact that is totally ignored here.  The students showing their collective @sses are not white, Asian, Hispanic or anything else other than black.  There is a disgusting tendency in the black community to not only allow this type of disrespect and behavior , but to encourage it.  Want to stop blacks from being put in jail?  START at the homes and make the parents responsible for their lack of proper parenting!!

class80olddog
class80olddog

So what is the difference between principals telling teachers not to report discipline incidents and principals telling teachers to erase wrong answers and replace them with the right ones? Not one damn thing! They are BOTH cheating.  But we allow it to continue because we don't want to know how bad our failing school systems are!

Astropig
Astropig

@class80olddog


"So what is the difference between principals telling teachers not to report discipline incidents and principals telling teachers to erase wrong answers and replace them with the right ones?"


Nothing. Not a dime's worth of difference.Both are designed to protect the status quo.

thenoticer
thenoticer

Mistakes? Stupid things? This goes so far beyond that. Keep making excuses and don't be surprised when there are no decent teachers left. As long as we make excuses for this type of behavior instead of fixing it, it will only get worse. These people do grow up, and I don't want to live anywhere near them. Stop making excuses, period!

Don't Tread
Don't Tread

@thenoticer People keep making excuses for bad behavior instead of punishing it, and some [extremely clueless liberals] wonder why the bad behavior continues.


They will keep doing what they have always done, and then wonder why they can't attract new teachers (or police officers, for that matter).

Quidocetdiscit
Quidocetdiscit

This type of behavior is not as rare as we would all wish - but you do not hear about it because teachers are threatened with job loss if they dare go to the authorities and schools often do not report incidents. Doing so can lose them federal money and cost points in the  "NCLB" and RTTT" schemes.  During my time at various inner city, low SES schools, I  was  the victim of student on teacher violence.  I have colleagues who have been the victims of student on teacher violence. Often there were no consequences at all for students. The only time I know that a report was actually filed was on the occasion an ambulance had to take a teacher to the hospital after she had been stabbed by a student carrying a pair of scissors.  She did not file charges because she was told it was "her fault" for letting the student use a pair of adult scissors to help her cut out letter for a class decoration. 


Disrespect is rampant in our schools and we can look to society for some of the reasons.  Just note how the "adults" on this forum name call and insult - and yet we expect children to hold higher standards that those to which we hold ourselves?  It used to be that people were raised to show someone respect until such time as the person did something to lose your respect.  These  days I am told I have to "earn" someone's respect.  I actually had a student treat me with total disrespect, and when I called him on it, he said, "You ain't done nothing to earn my respect!"  This was the first day of school, so I also hadn't done anything to earn his disrespect either, but that did not seem to matter.  Apparently, "earn my respect" had translated to "I can treat you like dirt unless you do whatever I want you to - which includes letting me disrupt you class without consequences." 


The wide spread lack of respect is very troublesome, but more so is the outright violence which is not being adequately addressed.  IF we would establish strong, well designed alternative schools for violent and disruptive students which would provide behavioral training and counseling services for these troubled students, perhaps there would be less of a demand for "Charter schools" for the well behaving students.  The majority of our students actually DO want to learn.  It would seem to be more logical to address the few troublemakers through alternative placement than to try to shift the majority of the student population to escape those few.... but I suspect there is not enough money to be made in addressing troubled students.  Certainly not as long as "test scores" are what is used to judge the "value" of a school and the money it and its staff should receive. 

Astropig
Astropig

@Quidocetdiscit



" IF we would establish strong, well designed alternative schools for violent and disruptive students which would provide behavioral training and counseling services for these troubled students, perhaps there would be less of a demand for "Charter schools" for the well behaving students. "


What we really need to do is take a long,hard look at mandatory attendance laws and impose the same regressive income penalty on these kids and families that waste public resources with this kind of active behavior, and then tackle the more passive kind,such as dropping out of school and spending a life on various public programs.These programs are designed to artificially boost income that discourages work.It's simply unconscionable that the troublemakers and violent,disruptive elements that make the schools so ungovernable immediately qualify for all manner of government "assistance" when they eventually leave the system,but the good students that play by the rules and work hard are penalized for life by a punitive taxation scheme that simply subsidizes the next generation of troublemakers. We'll never break out of this ever worsening social cycle without some serious structural reform in the way we incentivize dependence.





Astropig
Astropig

@Don't Tread @Astropig @Quidocetdiscit


Alas, you're right. Even the teachers in the videos will have to send a good part of their earnings to the government to subsidize the very kids that are harassing them in these images.They'll be victims twice.

readcritic
readcritic

@Quidocetdiscit

This is all so true. The irony in education today is that the teacher is disciplined for trying to maintain discipline. Teachers are forced to leave their jobs for trying to do their job. This is why scores drop.

CSpinks
CSpinks

Some subsets of The Truth include: (1) some kids don't have the social and/or emotional skills to matriculate successfully in a regular public school classroom with others(And this is from a retired Special Ed Inclusion-model teacher.); (2) some teachers don't have the temperament and/or behavioral management skills to work effectively with today's kids, particularly kids whose races and SESes differ from their own; (3)  PLEASE  FEEL  FREE  TO  ADD  YOUR  OWN... if that's OK with Maureen.

CSpinks
CSpinks

(3) some White folks don't want Black teachers telling their kids what to do and vice versa; (4) some Black students don't want to respect and/or obey White teachers and vice versa; (5) anyone who believes that GaPubEd is led by its fair share of "the best and the brightest" is either stupid or delusional; (to be continued)

Mustang100
Mustang100

Oh, there IS a solution: expulsion + incarceration in a juvenile training facility for being expelled. That, and exempt schools from corporal punishment litigation. These little darlings would fear the system then. Better that than the current model of the system fearing them, and their ghetto attorneys. 

clewis564
clewis564

Everything starts at home...

Astropig
Astropig

OneRobert-


I think you put your finger right on the problem that the status quo warriors are facing these days.Reformers criticize the failure of the zip code schools and the defenders simply criticize the reformers.That's really all they have. Their objective is simply to make you hate the school failures a little less than you hate the reformers.


I might add that it's not really proving very effective.

1Robert
1Robert

@MaryElizabethSings @clewis564 MES, do you really think the reason some kids act up is because someone calls out president Obama for being a liar ?  And when Bush was being called a liar did you also blame violence against teachers on that as well ?  And what is significant about the last 45 years if you want to point out Joe Wilson calling Obama a liar 7 years ago ?


If you look at the kids that are causing problems you will see that most of those kids have a poor home life but you can blame Joe Wilson if it makes you feel as if you have accomplished something.

MaryElizabethSings
MaryElizabethSings

@clewis564 

"Everything starts at home..."

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Even if that is true, you have not solved the problem of why homes are so varied in quality in America.  One must ask harder questions regarding what the priorities of our nation have been for 45 years.  When one of  our own Congressmen in the House of Representatives from South Carolina will yell out during  President Obama's State of the Union Address, "You lie!," and when the Republicans in the U.S. Congress have been recalcitrant at every possibility to President Obama, and when citizens call him anti-American and not born in the U.S.A., then I believe the adults of this nation, of all races, are out of control in respecting authority figures.  We are becoming an adolescent nation in terms of our national psyche and that has happened over decades in which the latest iteration of the American Dream has been "Every person for himself," and we are not our brothers' keepers. 


This is why I write that Americans need a transformation of the spirit more than they need to raise IQ levels.  The soul of America has become selfish and our young people do not respect that in adults, in their teachers, or in their parents.  We must demonstrate, not just with words, but with actions, that we care for one another, as we did in the early 1960s in America, and that we are all in this American experiment together.  Dividing will not conquer anything, in the long run. We must not point the finger at others, but work to heal old wounds.  When our young people see us do this again, respect will return to our young for adults and for themselves.



popcornular
popcornular

Everything starts at conception. 

You can't 'raise IQ levels'. Still having a hard time grasping IQ, I see, oh cosmic one. 

RoswellDickie
RoswellDickie

Excuse you-  these are not kids making a singular bad judgement call. They are purposefully being disrespectful to an adult who is the teacher. It's disgraceful. Suspension is the proper punishment and it should have been done after the school called the parents and made them pick their kid up. And someone is gonna tell me I should support paying them a minimum wage of $15/hour someday as well.

newsphile
newsphile

I do expect students to make mistakes and adults to be professional.  However, lack of respect and lack of discipline are much more significant and lead to more volatile situations than simply making mistakes.  BTW, The video of the cafeteria fight at a high school shows the intervening administrator is injured. This one is more recent, I believe.

MASR
MASR

Education should be a privilege NOT a rght!

readcritic
readcritic

@MASR

And when the student is disruptive to the educational rights of others, he/she should have that privilege revoked and the parent can then pay to have their darling schooled at their own expense. Schools allow those who have no respect for education to deny the learning process for those who care and want to learn. Parents of those children who are in school to learn need to be more vocal and demanding. Tax dollars should not go to school a child who is failing every subject three years in a row and preventing others from learning because of class behavior.

Mandella88
Mandella88

Everyone stay calm!  Governor Deal has a secret plan that can fix problems like this all across Georgia in his Opportunity School District proposal.  Just change the Georgia Constitution and all of this will immediately be a thing of the past!  Don't worry about the details or where the money goes.  Just relax and know that he cares about the children!


(sarcasm off)


On another note, I guess that one week sub job is what must make Maureen an expert on education issues....

RickinWarnerRobins
RickinWarnerRobins

@Mandella88 What makes her an expert is she's a Liberal and she thinks her opinion is what's best for the country regardless of what others think.  Maureen is nothing more than a Liberal apologist.  It's people like her who have the schools in the situation they're in now.

MD3
MD3

One of the biggest problems is that No Child Left Behind started ranking schools and assigning "failing" grades to schools based on several criteria -- including discipline referrals. So if a school had too many discipline reports, they were punished. As a result, administrators started telling teachers that they had to handle problems themselves, because they didn't want to risk being labeled a failing school due to discipline referrals. Once that happened, the kids discovered quickly that there were no repercussions for their antisocial behavior. A few years later, this is what you get. Folks, this is why the politicians need to get the heck out of the way and let the educators do their jobs. Bring back alternative schools. If kids abuse the privilege of being in school, kick their butts out and put them into a different setting. It's time to re-establish discipline in the classrooms so that the kids who want to get the benefit of an education are able to do so.

Lee_CPA2
Lee_CPA2

Once again, kids growing up with no boundaries.  From elementary school to high school, no one has been able to effectively deal with the bad behavior.  It keeps compounding until one day, they are a full grown (physically) student with no concept of right and wrong, etiquete, manners, rules, or proper behavior.

BTW, we had not-worth-a-crap parents in the 60's and 70's.  Difference is that teachers and administrators were able to deal with the behavior. (Hint:  it involves a piece of wood on backside.)

You want to eliminate this behavior in high school?  Deal with it in the 1st and 2nd grade.

Astropig
Astropig

Well, I guess these answer the rhetorical "fix or flee" headline question yesterday.

JBBrown1968
JBBrown1968

@Astropig


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