Enforcing immigration laws puts Georgia on right side of history and popular opinion

In a response to a column on the blog this week condemning Georgia’s higher education policy toward illegal immigrants, D.A. King of Marietta wrote this rebuttal essay. A vocal advocate for enforcement of U.S. immigration and employment laws, King is president of the Dustin Inman Society.

You can read the original column here.

By D.A. King

The now stereotypical and always offensive path taken by liberals advocating for special treatment for illegal aliens is to associate enforcement of American immigration laws with racial prejudice and to the civil rights struggles of American blacks in the 1960s.  And to completely ignore the rights of real, legal immigrants.

The recent joint effort featured here from associate professors Angela Stuesse and Shannon Speed did not disappoint. Because they did not, we note that “illegal” is not a race.

The issue of illegal immigrants and college attendance divides states.  (AP Photo/Mike Fuentes)

The issue of illegal immigrants and college attendance divides states. (AP Photo/Mike Fuentes)

The writers cite recent protests by victims of borders against Board of Regents admittance policy. But they omitted mentioning arrests of several screaming protesters for shoving American police officers. They did however include references to a 1960 North Carolina lunch counter sit-in during which “four Black students… integrated a whites-only Woolworth’s counter.” The authors race-baiting hope is to compare the Board of Regents current policy on instate tuition and limiting illegal aliens access to taxpayer-funded post secondary schools as ”segregation.”

Nowhere do the educators of our college youth mention that inconvenient concept of an equal application of the law that is supposed to protect all Americans and is the very basis of the civil rights movement. There is a reason for that.

Longstanding federal law defining and regulating state and local public benefits (8USC1621 – 1996) makes it quite clear that illegal aliens are not eligible for post secondary education unless a state enacts a statute explicitly stating otherwise. The Georgia General Assembly has never passed such a law, but it has gone the opposite direction with legislation.

Mainstream Georgians would regard institutional, official violation of federal and state law as putting us on the “wrong side of history.”

The anthropology and gender studies professors’ anti-enforcement guest column probably went over far better in their respective faculty lounges that it does out here in the real world. A 2010 AJC-sponsored poll of Georgians reflected the unsurprising reality. Two-thirds of the very diverse respondents said we should prohibit illegal aliens from attending public universities at any tuition rate – even if they pay out-of state tuition.

We would be quite interested to see the AJC run another poll asking the same question as the 2010 version.

If not some new-found, pro-American respect for the law, we can only hope the professors’ liberal evolution leads to some measure of compassion for the legal immigrant families who stand in sad bewilderment as advocates for illegals push for “the undocumented” receiving the same benefits and rights earned by joining the American family lawfully. We can see that such a worldview is not in vogue on today’s college campuses, but we should all hope for change.

It is amusing to see the leftist advocates invoke the very dubious conclusions of the left-leaning Georgia Budget & Policy Institute’s latest “report” on immigration and the alleged monetary boost to the Georgia economy. That is if we would only ignore several federal and state laws and put illegal aliens in line with American citizens and legal immigrants in our university admittance offices. And also put them into our workforce to compete with American workers and their already stagnant wages.

After that, in the never-ending game of political incrementalism, the next oft-quoted report would no-doubt carefully explain the mega-benefits to the Georgia economy if only we had officially open borders and a constant, unregulated influx of immigrants to replace the workers already struggling to live the American Dream in their own country.

All concerned should pay attention to the legislative process under the Gold Dome on the pending Senate Bill 6. It addresses  existing state law to clear up intentionally created confusion on just who is an illegal alien after President Obama’s dubious executive action on deferred action on deportation.

If passed, signed into law and then actually enforced by the Republican-run state government, SB 6 will end the question of whether the Regents can or should change tuition policy on illegal aliens – of any description.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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DaveFrancis
DaveFrancis

In this Obamas failing reign we have seen riots in the street, as unemployment is has become rife. Why is it low income Black Americans are unable to find a job; why is low income white American unable to find a job, why is low income Hispanic or Latino's unable to find a job, why is any low income citizens or green card holder cannot find a job, because the Republican establishment and Democrats in the hierarchy class have completely disregarded immigration laws. Many American and documented immigrants know full well that Obama has been pandering to millions illegal aliens. The majority of politicians are mainly interested in getting reelected and forgotten that they are in Washington to keep themselves available to the voter. President Obama has caused more damage to this country, by adding another 9 trillion dollars to the earlier federal deficit. His far reaching illegal executive order has not even placed a key in the lock of the wide open access to our border and millions have poured in from every point below the Southern border. With the Obama orders the US Border Patrol have been restrained at the border, as are the local police across the country that have low esteem, and are hesitant to stop anybody in any sector. From the highest levels of government a new directive makes it impossible for agents to carry out their duties. For decades the Southern border has remained poorly maintained and most of the sectors are nothing but a few strands of barbed wire. My own opinion it's a clandestine conspiracy between the two relevant parties, with a limited amount of man power that intercept a few illegal aliens. Former president George Bush made the effort to build 700 miles of double layer fencing, but that faded away. For the Republicans not to build a wall, it's to keep a daily ration of cheap labor for their Special interests who pay their way. The Democrats who are not barring any illegal immigrants, specifically families with children-- the taxpayer becomes the provider.As a taxpayer, a working taxpayer you must keep supporting CHEAP LABOR and who collects the profits, the business owners.Something over 100 billion dollars a year, that would fiscally support our senior Citizens and more aftercare for the Veterans who have been forgotten by both the Left and Right. The Democrat Hillary Clinton, the socialists as Bernie Sanders and the progressives will just leave a gaping hole in immigration enforcement and it's already proven that Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio was involved with passing Amnesty. Then there is Jeb Bush, John Kasich will pledge to end the illegal alien war, but that will diminish as time goes by. Other than Donald Trump he is the ONLY strong lawmaker to stand against Congress. He will not only has the tenacity to build a wall between US and Mexico where bribery is rampant, but Trump has the guts to throw out every illegal executive order of Obama and his lapdogs and put in that 1000 mile wall, to obstruct not only illegal aliens, but recruit a new army ofagents along the border. When we are talking about Hillary or Sanders, they are just telling there audiences exactly what they want to hear, but have no way of carrying these issues out. Trump just tells his people exactly how things are, and doesn't try to present things that are impossible. Jeb Bush and the others of the establishment status will dance to the tune of their wealthy overseers and the Super PAC's As Trumps said the squeaks from the environmentalists about creatures unable to traverse the wall, will have no restraint on his construction; then from the point of view within the wall, more recruitment of ICE agents to end jobs going to unauthorized labor by raids on unworthy businesses who under the impression they are exempt from being audited utilizing Mandated E-Verify. Once companies realize that they can be fined or could even be incarcerated, they will start giving out pink slips; there will be a role for informants in every business nationwide to inform that illegal aliens are stealing the jobs from Americans and then the exodus will begin. Trump will also take on the Overstays that seems forever have come to America disguised as the Average tourist, businessman and never left after their visa expired. New immigration laws will convert the Overstay status, to another illegal immigrant and therefore can be deported or repatriate themselves. JUST KEEP REMEMBERING EVERY ONE OF THESE PERSONAGES WHO WANT TO GIVE THE ORDERS IN WASHINGTON ARE SUBSERVIENT TO THEIR WEALTHY DONORS, WHETHER THEY ARE A MEGA CORPORATION,A GIANT INDUSTRIAL MONOPOLYOR ANYTHING YOU CAN IMAGINE HAVE A TUBFUL OF DOLLARSTO TEMPT ANY OF THEM...EXCEPT FOR DONALD TRUMP? HE IS THE ONLY ONE THAT NOBODY ELSE HAS BEEN ABLE TO BUY.


MaryElizabethSings
MaryElizabethSings

To Maureen Downey (and all interested readers):


Please allow me to post these comments related to this thread which I just posted on AJC columnist Jay Bookman's blog.  I do believe that my thoughts are substantive and important. Thank you.


"To Jay Bookman (and all readers):

Please read my following words which I posted on "Get Schooled" two days ago, and my second post which I have just posted on "Get Schooled" two minutes ago, as a follow-up.

Please also, take my ideas and spread them to as many people through your own gifted journalistic talents so that my thoughts are shared.  I only follow God's will for my life now as I near closing out my life on Earth (hopefully I still have 20 years left but that might be pushing it), so I care nothing about credit for these thoughts, but I do care that they are shared.

I particularly want them shared at this point in our nation's history because I have read the words of Barack Obama in depth and I know that he has been trying to prepare our nation and our world for this new world that is coming.  I further know that he has been trying to redirect, and give structure to, a conceptual and pragmatic foundation for the future which can ease into these concepts.  I believe it is critical that Hillary Clinton is elected as our next President because I believe that she shares this vision for our planet and she has the skill to continue Obama's work.  I do not believe that our world will move forward in these positive directions for all on the Earth under any other direction as quickly and as forcefully for good as will be done under the continuity that Hillary Clinton's world vision will give to President Obama's already set trajectory for our common good on the planet.

Thank you for the time you make take to read my words and consider my request.  The words from my posts on "Get Schooled" are self-evident.  I will number them by my 1st post two days ago, and then my 2nd post this evening."

MaryElizabethSings
MaryElizabethSings

This evening, Wednesday, February 10, 2016, I am watching an outstanding and revealing 2-hour documentary on WGTV, Channel 8, Public Television in Atlanta.  The name of the documentary is "Humanity from Space" and it was released in 2015.


Please see it if you can when it is broadcast again.  This broadcast shows dramatically how all people are interconnected on our planet, through electricity, air, rail, car, and ship travel, internet communication, shared concerns such as climate change, overpopulation, food and water supplies conserved and managed for the planet, as well as energy, which effects climate, which affects us all.  As Martin Luther King, Jr. had told us: "We must learn to work together as brothers or we will die together as fools.  We truly have become one on this planet of ours which we will have to conserve together.  Population levels throughout the globe that had taken 1000s of years to grow, in the last 150 has doubled, and in the next 50 years will double once again until we have 9 billion people on our planet.


This is very much related to the words of prophecy which I had shared in my post below, 2 days ago, regarding immigration concerns.  Those concerns will organically take care of themselves by necessity as we move into a global consciousness of realizing that each of us must be concerned about the survival of all of us on the planet.  That is the only way that we and individuals and as a world community will survive.

MaryElizabethSings
MaryElizabethSings

Excerpt from my entry posted on my blog, August 23, 2015, entitled, "Becoming Earthlings":


"An excellent question was asked earlier as to what the connection between the migration of north African immigrants to European nations is to the migration of Mexican and Central American immigrants to America.

Here is my thinking on it: I believe that the world is in the process of getting smaller as technology and communication become global, as commerce becomes more global, and as nations work together to build peace through dialogue on the planet.

As a result of these tangible changes, world consciousness is also changing to perceive of ourselves on Earth as a world community rather than simply citizens of various nations.  I will go further to predict that we are heading toward perceiving of human beings as 'Earthlings' rather than as Americans, or Africans, or Europeans, or Iranians, or Mexicans, etc.  We know that economic success or failure is often worldwide, and certainly climate change is a worldwide concern for all on the planet.  As we travel the Universe, we will begin to identify as Earthlings in comparison with the human beings who become part of the future colonies established on the Moon or on Mars. Without being fully aware of this growing world consciousness, I believe the immigrants to various parts of the world, described above, are helping this worldwide movement to have roots and validity into the future. These immigrants throughout the world are the rudimentary pioneers of the global human dynamic change."

https://maryelizabethsings.wordpress.com/2015/08/23/becoming-earthlings/

class80olddog
class80olddog

While we are on the subject of "unfunded mandates", here are two more that the Feds need to pony up for:  EMTALA and IDEA.

class80olddog
class80olddog

You know, this question of admitting illegal immigrants to Georgia colleges would go away if there were no illegal immigrants in Georgia...

class80olddog
class80olddog

@OriginalProf @class80olddog I didn't say we had to deport all current illegal immigrants.  I goes back to what was said below - if the two parties would sit down and hammer out a compromise that would lead to either a legal status or deportation, and then enforce it, everyone remaining would be legal. (of course, maybe you meant that the two parties sitting down to compromise would happen when pigs fly - maybe you are correct, but I still hold hope - does that make me a Polyanna like MES?)

class80olddog
class80olddog

@OriginalProf @class80olddog There will always be illegal immigrants in Georgia just the same as there will always be burglars in Georgia.  The difference is that we actively try to put burglars behind bars so they can't hurt us, and with immigrants we just turn a blind eye (I am talking about the Feds).

Starik
Starik

@class80olddog @OriginalProf Most of our illegal immigrants are beneficial - they do menial jobs that legal residents and citizens aren't willing to do, or can't do.  Maybe if the Republicans lose the Presidency again they might allow a gang-of-8 style compromise.

Legong
Legong

@class80olddog @Starik @OriginalProf 

Obama refuses to enforce our immigration laws because he wants to "change the face of America." In other words, he seeks to reduce the percentage of whites in our population. He sees a benefit for the political left in this.

The business lobby is merely interested in importing more cheap labor to replace expensive American workers.

Both sides resist making the existing E-Verify system mandatory for all job applicants.

bu22
bu22

@Starik @class80olddog @OriginalProf Except for farm work, those jobs could be filled, just not at the depressed rate caused by a large supply of illegal immigrants.  New Hampshire doesn't have maids, nannies, cleaning people, yard workers, etc.  filled by illegal immigrants.  That doesn't mean you can kick them out without negative consequences, but if they weren't here in the first place, those jobs would be filled and would pay better than they do now.

class80olddog
class80olddog

What SHOULD happen is that the Federal government should take responsibility for its unfunded mandate and either compensate states for the illegal children that have to be given extra services or deport families with children that put burdens on the state educational system.

Starik
Starik

@class80olddog If the kids are born here, they're citizens. Do you want us to raid the schools looking for suspicious brown people?

ArturoK
ArturoK

Can you please try harder?

northernneighbor
northernneighbor

The political system created this issue primarily by not clarifying or enforcing laws.  It will take a political solution of compromise to fix it. I don't know what that compromise will look like.  But as long as both extremes continue to hold to their principles this will only get worse. Noone can win and everyone will lose if there is no coming together on this.

class80olddog
class80olddog

@northernneighbor You are correct - the primary problem is that the two parties will not sit down and compromise on the subject and create a law that does a better job of immigration control. 

OriginalProf
OriginalProf

No, neither King's article nor the earlier one by the two professors notes that the immigrants in question are DACA immigrants, but they certainly should. I'm a retired USG professor, and have been following this issue closely since it was first discussed in 2010: should illegal immigrants who have lived in Georgia all their lives be admitted to state universities?

Something to note is that the schools haven't asked for citizen documentation, though that may have changed lately. Also, the Regents decide USG policy, not the state legislature. In 2010, after a lot of ruckus they decided that illegal immigrants cannot be admitted to the USG schools that have turned away Ga. residents because of space restrictions, namely the 4 research universities.  But they can attend the other USG schools; and all must pay out-of-state tuition, about $4-5 K more than in-state.


The recent lawsuit against the Regents by DACA immigrants aims at defining them as in-state residents so they'll pay the lower rate. But the court side-stepped the entire issue by saying that the Regents can't be sued by individuals.


So Georgia isn't "enforcing immigration laws" one way or the other. And, ArturoK, I left the scene last night because in my household the computers go off at 10 pm, not because I felt routed by your arguments.

Carlos_Castillo
Carlos_Castillo

If the students were brought here by their parents as minors, then they are not the ones who intended to break the immigration laws.  Their parents are the persons responsible. 



The odds are overwhelming that the these kids will be legalized and, perhaps, given a path to U. S. citizenship.  The time to send them back to their home countries was shortly after they acquired the status of illegal aliens.


Visiting the sins of the the parents on their children strikes me as vindictive.  If they are GA residents for the required amount of time, then they are in-state and ought to pay in-state tuition.  


There are more constructive ways to protest the President Obama's bending the immigration that he swore to carry out to the point that they break than kicking kids while they're down. 


At some point, it may do more damage to begin enforcing laws that went for so long without being enforced than accepting the status quo for illegals here a before a certain date.  Congress needs to get off of its duff.

readcritic
readcritic

@Carlos_Castillo The problem is the cost to taxpayers to allow all the children of ILLEGAL parents to have a free education. It is free to the illegals, but  $12K+ per child in K-12 and then college (at in-state rates) is a huge burden on the taxpaying LEGAL citizens. Our politicians are not realistic about the price of their generosity with working class dollars. If they support such legislation, it should come out of the politicians' pockets. Furthermore, the politicians should have the same retirement, medical and dental plans and all other benefits and tax laws apply to them.  

OriginalProf
OriginalProf

@readcritic @Carlos_Castillo 

The SC decided in 1982 that all US residents had the right to a K-12 public education.  And in Georgia, illegal immigrants must pay out-of-state tuition in the USG (University System of Georgia) schools, about $4-5K more than in-state tuition.

Carlos_Castillo
Carlos_Castillo

@readcritic @Carlos_Castillo Your argument rests on a) illegal status and b) benefits paid to people not paying taxes.


Again, we will not be sending kids back to their countries of origin who were brought here, illegally, a long time ago by their parents.  Dream on.  


All the legislature has done is to limit the kids earnings potential by fencing off USG insititutions to this class of kids.  Bad fiscal policy over the long run fior Georgians.


Many families here illegally do pay income taxes where the employer is withholding income.  All pay sales taxes, just like everyone else.   And they are in-state residents.


Let's knock off the vindictive behavior.  Besides, one of your kids or grandkids might wind up marrying one of those kids who almost certainly will be legalized.  Perish the thought, but you might wind up being a loathed grandparent.

readcritic
readcritic

Until our own military is treated with dignity and respect, only taxpaying LEGAL citizens should be entitled to anything. ILLEGAL is ILLEGAL. No anchor baby rights and no illegal rights and benefits should be bestowed by our politicians unless they are willing to pay for them out of their own pockets. They are too generous with "other people's money." Individuals wanting to become US citizens should apply through proper channels. No papers, no benefits! Stop the gravy train.

OriginalProf
OriginalProf

@readcritic 

"Anchor baby rights" are guaranteed by Amendment 14 of the US Constitution. Repealing this will require a 2/3 vote by both houses of Congress, the President, and the general population. Do you really think this is likely to happen?

class80olddog
class80olddog

@OriginalProf @readcritic OP - the term "anchor baby" is usually used to denote a child legally born in the US that could later (at the age of 21) be used to facilitate the admission of their (illegal) parents as legal immigrants and eventual citizens.  This is not covered under the 14th Amendment.  Only "birthright citizenship" is covered.  England used to have birthright citizenship but later changed it to require that children be born of at least one citizen parent.  That is what should be done here.  It would not require a repeal of the 14th amendment, but rather a new amendment clarifying how the birthright process works.  Still a high hurdle but not impossible.

readcritic
readcritic

@class80olddog @OriginalProf @readcritic This is a great idea, but look at the expense of the millions of children being educated free of cost to the illegals but at a great expense to the taxpaying legal citizens. The illegals are going to break the economy by sucking much more out than they put in. What is the current national debt? How long can this go on?

OriginalProf
OriginalProf

@readcritic @class80olddog @OriginalProf 

The SC decided in 1982 that illegal immigrants should receive a K-12 education. That's water under the bridge. The question now being considered in Ga. courts is whether they should pay in-state or out-of state university tuition, NOT whether they should receive a free college education!  Not even US citizens get that.

readcritic
readcritic

@class80olddog @OriginalProf @readcritic Our government needs to amend the 14th amendment because each child of an illegal citizen (most have 4+ children) costs almost $13K/year for 13 years to educate from kindergarten through high school. Add those numbers up. This is why property taxes keep going up. Do the math. It is about $676K just for one illegal family of 4 children to be in a US public school from K-12 grade. Now take that amount and multiply it by the number of illegal children enrolled in our public schools. !!!!!!!!!!!

That is a staggering amount over what that illegal family contributes, yet that dollar amount is instantly charged to the homeowner/taxpayer. It is no wonder our economy is in debt.

OriginalProf
OriginalProf

@readcritic @class80olddog @OriginalProf 

See the other earlier blog-thread on this subject, with documented information about the billions of $$ in state income taxes that illegal immigrants pay yearly. They also pay property taxes, either directly or through their rent (which has the owner's property tax added).

class80olddog
class80olddog

@OriginalProf @readcritic @class80olddog If I remember correctly, it said that 18 million illegal immigrants paid an estimated $18 BILLION in state and federal income taxes - that is about $1000 per employee per year - not very much considering the amount of services (ESOL, medical?) they consume.

PJ25
PJ25

Owned! 

Lee_CPA2
Lee_CPA2

Thanks to DA King, the AJC has published it's first common sense article in years.  Refreshing to read someone call the issue it's true name - ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION.


Maybe we should borrow a page from the cultural marxists and demand their universities fire "professors" Angela Stuesse and Shannon Speed.

GaPatriot
GaPatriot

There is no where in this universe that I would even consider shoving a police officer.   These illegal aliens are not the caliber of person worthy to become a legal resident.  Deport them and the parents that brought them here.

ArturoK
ArturoK

Good for Downey in running King. This whole obey the law thing must be driving the left and the Chamber of commerce crazy in fear that it may spread. Great response!

class80olddog
class80olddog

I constantly hear posters on here say that parents should stick with their current school and work with it to improve the school.  Why does that not apply to illegal immigrants?  If it is bad in your country, stay there and work to improve it rather than fleeing to another place, 

class80olddog
class80olddog

I think it is high time that we emulated the advanced countries of England and France and do away with the "birthright citizenship".  Reference the recent case of the Chinese lady who lied about being pregnant and refused to push until the jet she was on was in United States airspace.  This is ridiculous!

MdmPhx
MdmPhx

THANK YOU Downey & King!!

clewis564
clewis564

After living in two other nations in South America I can tell you if you are illegal in those nations or even an ex-pat without a green card that you are eligible for no services from the government and not to attend any schools or universities. Those nations do round up illegals and foreigners and will expel them. It's crazy that illegals will come to this nation and DEMAND things and that we change and give them access to things only citizens have. Nope. We are a country of laws or we used to be until the president started to decide which ones he wanted to defend and which he didn't. No illegal people her should be allowed access to schools or government services. It's asinine to give them those things. There is a right way and wrong way to do things. I love visiting mexico and south america but when I was living there to open a bank account, sometimes to even buy concert tickets you had to show you were a citizen or had your green card. No documentation. No services. If it's good enough for other countries it's good enough for us. 

readcritic
readcritic

@clewis564 If our politicians would stop giving our country away, invaders would not be so eager to come here and stay. What other country makes it so easy and comfortable for ILLEGALS to benefit at the cost of taxpaying citizens? Fight for term limits. Career politicians are ruining a nation that was once great. Every civilization that has ever collapsed has done so due to economic failure. If politicians value immigrants, they should respect those who choose to become citizens the legal way. Stop anchor babies and illegal settling. 

MaryElizabethSings
MaryElizabethSings

One day, decades or even centuries from now, all on this planet will see themselves primarily as Earthlings rather than as members of separate nations or of separate races.


When that point of spiritual evolution happens, this illegal immigration "problem" in the state of Georgia will have become obsolete.  However, Thomas Jefferson's words that all are created equal will remain viable, and acknowledged, throughout this future world, the world in which we are presently only passing through.

MaryElizabethSings
MaryElizabethSings

@Grob_Hahn 

Martin Luther King, Jr.:  "We must learn to live together as brothers or perish together as fools."

The world will be at a crossroads of consciousness soon.  We each must choose a vision for our world based primarily upon "Survival of the Fittest" or upon "We are our brothers' keepers."

Long ago, I realized that the only path that will sustain life on this planet is for humanity to choose, "We are our brothers' keepers" (and he is ours).  That is a consciousness based on love, not hate, and that is why that consciousness sustains life and does not destroy it. This is what I have meant by "spiritual evolution." Its progression is unavoidable.  We each will play our parts.

Grob_Hahn
Grob_Hahn

@MaryElizabethSings Fantasyland is a Disney concept, not reality.  The planet has finite resources that people will be fighting over for centuries to come.  The illegal invasion is just a passive semi-violent war being waged on Americans because Americans are so politically divided.  If Americans were unified, this wouldn't be happening.  

And why do you quote problem?  How would you figure that it's NOT a problem?  Look how many low-income American families are being utterly screwed in Georgia by cheap labor peasants who have no plans at all to become Americans.  Wake up already.