Who got into Georgia Tech today? And who didn’t due to rising selectivity?

Updated Tuesday: Here is a new AJC story on Tech’s partnership with APS to get more Atlanta grads into the school.

If your child did not get into Georgia Tech today, blame heightened competition for spots due to a widening and more talented applicant pool:

Here is what Tech has to say about the students admitted today to the Class of 2020:

High school students from around the world received notification today of whether or not they were invited to join the class of 2020 at Georgia Tech.

This year, applications hit a record high of 30,520 — a 12 percent increase over last year. Of that number, around 25 percent were offered admission (between early action and regular decision rounds).

gatechThe academic profile of accepted students continues to be more impressive each year. This year, the average SAT is 1445 (out of 1600), with 10 college-level courses completed.
This year’s application and admission rates are comparable to those of some of Tech’s public university peer institutions, including the University of North Carolina, University of Michigan, and University of Virginia. In the past four years alone, the number of applications to Georgia Tech has more than doubled, and the admit rate has dropped by more than half — meaning next year’s freshmen and this year’s seniors came from drastically different applicant pools.

As applications increase, more students are hearing “no” from Georgia Tech — a message that is not necessarily pleasant to deliver. Last year’s incoming class was larger than anticipated, which means this year’s class size goal is a little smaller in order to balance Tech’s overall student population. Tech accepted about 1,000 fewer students this year, with the goal of a class size of 2,800 freshmen.

“The selectivity is a blessing and a curse,” said Rick Clark, director of Undergraduate Admission. “Our staff gives great care to these decisions, and it’s not always fun. We have to remind ourselves that these are all amazing kids, and they have plenty of other great options.”

The admission rate for in-state students is higher than the overall rate, at 35 percent, while international students were accepted at a rate of 10 percent. Students from 299 Georgia high schools are included in the admitted pool.

Admission saw growth this year in strategic areas where it has devoted additional time or resources. One of those places is California, where it now has a full-time admission counselor and is able to have a presence in panel discussions and other college recruiting events. Another is in Latin American countries, where Admission staff participated in “consortium travel,” which lets representatives from similar peer institutions travel together to meet with prospective students and high school staff.

In its second year of partnership with Atlanta Public Schools, Georgia Tech offered admission to a student from every APS high school. Last year, five students enrolled at Tech in the first year of the program, which provides a scholarship to all APS valedictorians and salutatorians for four years of in-state tuition and mandatory fees.

Mary Tipton Wooley, senior associate director for undergraduate admission, equates the admission process more to matchmaking than one-sided acceptance. No longer is admission simply about being able to be successful at Georgia Tech. It is now more a process of identifying mutual fits for prospective students and the Institute.
This year, Undergraduate Admission worked with faculty in five of Tech’s six colleges to identify the best candidates for each area. Faculty members are able to apply their expertise by taking a more nuanced looks at applications.

Additionally, seven temporary seasonal staff members joined the team to help carry the extra load of applications. Hiring temporary staff allows Tech’s permanent staff to maintain relationships with applicants and high school counselors across Georgia and beyond.

“Their presence allows our staff to actually call people back in the midst of our busiest season,” Clark said. “They are crucial to our work and maintaining customer service amidst the volume increase and time compression. If you have a prospective student emailing with a question and not getting an answer back quickly, that’s a problem.”

Now that students have been offered admission, the task becomes getting them to choose Georgia Tech among the many offers they have received. Clark believes the Georgia Tech community is essential at this point in the process.

“Part of the success we have had in recent years is from students, faculty, and staff encouraging those they know to come to Georgia Tech,” he said. “If someone on social media from your area says they’ve been accepted, or you know someone personally, congratulate them. Offer to answer questions they may have.”

Many students will also visit campus in the coming weeks for tours and in-person conversations, as they make their final decisions.

“Be welcoming and friendly if you see people who are visiting,” Clark said. “Ask where they’re from, and, if it’s an admitted student, heartily congratulate them.”

Students, faculty, staff, and alumni can find and interact with newly admitted students on social media through the #gt20 hashtag.

Accepted students will receive information about financial aid packages in April. Georgia Tech also provides resources on how to pay for college and creative ways to seek funding.

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AL Corndog
AL Corndog

Georgia is a worthless cesspool dump.  Foreign people often praise Tech as a wonderful excellent school, when they should be scorning it and avoiding it like the plague.  They often go there, graduate, get no job offers in the USA, then go back to their country and start fish farms, and never work in the field of engineering they graduated in.

AL Corndog
AL Corndog

I graduated EE in '87. I did not get 1 interview or job offer. The degree is not ever a factor in my job interviews. I often work for Devry grads, ITT grads, or even people with no degree. I have had Renken grads chase me out of a job. The degree is useless. I sacrificed so much, and worked so hard for the degree, and Georgia Tech means nothing. There was no placement office. The southern bells are unfriendly. The male to female ratio is 10 to 1. You cannot even say hello to any Tech lady because they do not ever even look at you, when you walk by. The religious ones are even more unfriendly. The local corporations are not unfriendly, they are hostile to me. I have had school deans refuse to write a letter of recommendation.

The lower GPA you get from Ga Tech is a serious disadvantage. No employer anywhere compensates for Ga Tech low GPA's, this is one of many common lies. I can honestly say, you would be better off graduating from Mickey Mouse electrical engineering school with a 4.0 than Ga Tech with a 2.2. Interviewers always take a stab at me for my low GPA. No employer actually compensates for Ga Tech cruelty and low GPA's. When I went to Tech, I was denied C++ course. It was only allowed for Information Science majors. This alone should tell you what evil school Tech is. Robotics is also in the information science school, not electrical engineering.

The profs are creeps. Dr. Corso in the psychology department, was a vicious evil professor. He picked a text with no definitions, then gave 10 definition tests and marked all answers wrong. Because the text never followed a highlighted term with a definition, you could not fight back. Of course now you have Google now, not an option in '80s. The same trick is true of most departments. The texts chosen by Profs are useless. You will have to rely on your fraternity brothers to get help on how to do anything, however, the frats do not let anyone with a foreign last name in. Is this how everything is in the south? I would recommend going to a Northern school, where they are actually in your corner and trying to make you successful. This school ruined my life. There is no such thing as southern hospitality. That school was absolutely the worst break i have ever had.

I actually started working in engineering, only after I gave up on Georgia, and moved back to my native Ohio. They took me in, gave me work and I have become successful in engineering. But again, only after giving up on Georgia, and moving north. Georgia is absolutely the most racist, unfriendly place I have ever tried to live.
Foreign nationals should not attend Tech, or at the very least, change their last name to something British, so that they will fit in. Georgia businesses have the same policy for all resumes with a foreign last name, it's called the trash can. You should at the least change the name to something British like Nelson, or Johnston, because they actually fly the British flag at their capitol alongside the U.S. flag. However, we all know the one they are allegiance to. and it's not the American flag.

When you do business in Georgia, always video record the transaction, like for real estate closings business deals. Many Geogia stock brokers, realtors, surveyors, and closing attorneys make their living ripping off foreigners, and Yankees. Also, always know that you are always spied upon by GBI, KKK, and other racist organizations I say this, because any idea you have for an invention or business idea, will be their idea, if you know what i mean.

However, the worst thing about Georgia Tech is the prejudiced fellow student population. I cannot make friends with them, I cannot work at their companies, I cannot date their sisters, I cannot join their fraternities, I simply cannot anything. They are all young fellow students at Georgia Tech. I am white, but, all it took is a foreign sounding last name to make me an outsider. I felt like they were all felt I was a foreign Yankee to compete with and beat, and get rid of. To which I would say they were completely successful. I did not, can not survive at all in Georgia.

To further give you an idea about how unfriendly the fellow students are, I will tell you about my first quarter at Tech. I almost missed registration at O'keefe the first week of school, I only found out because my roommate had info, and was talking about it. He had received info in his student mailbox at the student center, I had not. I latter found out we shared mailboxes with another upper classman, because Tech did'nt have enough to go round. The other upper classman had been throwing out my mail. Tech did nothing about it.
I see occasional foreign engineers in the auto industry, however, they are never from a southern school, only from northern, and never from Georgia Tech.

AL Corndog
AL Corndog

As a graduate class of '87, I can say I got in with a sat of 1210.  I paid $425/ quarter (and paid for myself with odd jobs), and half of my dorm hall flunked out the first year.  I rushed but was not admitted to any Frat (very disappointing, and a testament to lack of friendliness of student population then).  Too much of Georgia is the corruption that allows admission of students who go to RAW wrestling and have no qualifications to be there.  Georgia back then was so corruption and lack of merit based admissions.  I am sorry to see that the lack of research dollars has made Tech more expensive now than when I went.  Research at GTRI paid the bills at Tech, while the ignorant student population was criticizing GTRI for taking profs away from education and this was a fallacy that resulted in the lies that now there is no research at Tech and cost is higher than ever.

goldwreck
goldwreck

Mercer University has had an engineering school in Macon for years. 


StephenFleming
StephenFleming

@AJCGetSchooled Out-of-state students pay 3X tuition. But charge out-of-COUNTRY students 5X, and you could free up some slots for Georgians.

RobdaSlob
RobdaSlob

What is missed here is Georgia students are not being accepted into Tech and there are not enough strong science, technology, engineering, math (STEM) alternatives within the state.  This is a bit ironic because the state has been pushing STEM programs through out the GA high school system.  So these kids will go elsewhere after GA taxpayers invested in them.


Case in point - My son was not accepted to Tech this year despite a 4.0+ GPA, 7 college level course (short the 3 additional I guess).  So while disappointed he has offers out of state with scholarship opportunities that help to equalize the tuition cost.


I'd like to see the Regents accelerate their efforts on expanding STEM related programs at other schools.  More opportunities then for all kids to grow within our state.



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I would like to see a small private school aka Mercer or Ogelthorpe find a donor that would endow an Architecture and Engineering school. I attended a Private Catholic University with only 2,400 undergraduates for Undergradulate. There are several Top rated programs like mine in the NE, and then their is Tulane in Nola. My cousin attended Miami of Ohio. Then I went on to a big ten university for grad schools ( I was accepted to Tech). My cousin did a dual major at U PA with Architecture and MBA /Wharton. I have classmates who went on to Grad school at Washington Univ. / St. Louis and SMU to name a few. One is a professor at Yale.

We need a good small private school university alternative ( maybe not as competitive to get into as Emory).

So many of us thrive better in the small school environment, rather than a 20,000 or 30,000 public school university. Were football / NCAA tournament time are big motivators for resources. I went to both small and large. Georgia needs a private school ( a real one ) to step into this market. The unfortunate facts are so many locals, southern's even the children of Yankees like mine are afraid to leave the South for College.

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In the end your son should count his blessings! I was recruited by a firm 30 plus years ago that skipped GT. Only one of the owners sons went to GT. Otherwise we all went to Florida, Auburn and Purdue.

Employers want a diverse workforce of architects and Engineers. My staff has consisted of Univ. of Virginia ( my best Architect from an overall stand point), Tulane, Clemson, Washington University in St. Louis ( by far the best hIgh voltage electrical engineer around), Purdue, Ga Tech, Southern, Tech, SCAD in Savannah, LSU, Auburn, Catholic University, University of Maryland, Florida, Tennesee, West Point, etc... I may have inadvertently left some schools off the list.

I have also worked in an office where everyone thought the MIT engineer was the biggest Joke in the office.

Some of the Georgia Tech engineers were the biggest "Bricks" in the room. Aka obstructions, they knew theory but not practical engineering.

I have seen too many kids that got into Georgia Tech, forced to go to Ga tech by parents due to instate tuition and HOPE. When another schools philosophy would have been better suited to the students. Of 3 boys I know who were in this class 5 years ago, only 1/3 maintained HOPE until graduation.

MaureenDowney
MaureenDowney moderator

@RobdaSlob Your son is one of several I have heard about today with stellar credentials not getting into Tech. What do you think the problem was? Was he applying to engineering or computer science -- I know those two areas are the most competitive. And can your high school counselors offer any insights? 

I have asked Tech to comment on the fact 60 percent of its undergrads are from Georgia, compared to 85 percent at UGA. I will post the Tech statement tomorrow.

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As person with both an Architecture degree and an Enginering Degree I recommend the following to any student that got into GA Tech. If you were wise and applied beyond the borders of Georgia you most likely were accepted to other Universtities of equal caliber. Each Architecture and Engineering program has its own strengths and weaknesses. Each program within the school is entirely different and has a different feel.

The increase in applications to GA State is two fold. The big one is the HOPE Scholarship. The second is the mutilation of the strong practical engineering Stand alone program at Southern Tech. The engineering community just doesn't feel good about the obvious Football motivated merger of Southern Tech into Kennesaw State. We can no longer recommend the program. Southern Tech had a good reputation in the engineering community. Kennesaw meanwhile is a 3 rd rate state college.

Students you have been at or near the top of your class your whole life, at GT so has everyone else. Less than 30% of that class probably 20% in Architecture and all the real engineering disciplines ( except I.E. Aka industrial engineering or called by us with other hard engineering degrees Imaginary Engineering. Then of course their is Industrial Mgmt for those who couldn't hack engineering or calculus classes the first couple of years. All except this top, say 70-80% of the class will graduate with less than a 3.0 GPA.

So even with the proposal in the legislature the majority of you will loose your Hope based on GPA during your 4-5 years at Tech. Another word of warning the HOPE does not cover the 130 plus credits you need for your Architecture and Engineering degree. I did it in 4, yes I took 18-21 a semester and did courses at junior college at Community college. They charge you now for 18-21 Hrs. What about those 10 AP classes. They just helped you get in. The AP Calculus isn't really the calculus for engineers tech wants so, sorry do over. Even if they say you don't need to. My advise is you need to learn calculus the way of the Architecture and Engineering school you attends teach it. You may want to take some of those easy classes at Tech or the other engineering school to bring and keep up your GPA. You will also find Engineering and Architecture course sequences are very prescribed so you can't get a head. Your best possibility is sneak in some Grad school classes and shave a year of that like I did.

My advise is if you got a full or 3/4 scholarship to another institute out of state that does not depend upon you maintaining a certain GPA ( just good standing which is ussualy 2.0) for the full degree program or 4 years take it and run.

With the GPA and SAT for Tech entrance it should have earned you a waiver of out of state tuition at both Auburn and LSU. Along with anywhere from 1/4 to 3/4 off your instate tuttiion ( most at the is level would be 3/4 instate) LSU's program is similar they don't publish as much information. Schools like Purdue want geographic dividersidy and offer full scholarship. Tulane and Washington University offer 75% scholarships.

I have had engineers and architects from a diverse number of schools. Many employers is atlanta desire office work forces with architects and engineers from a wide variety of schools.

I spoke with another GA tech engineer about this, this morning and she said if she was doing it all over now, GA tech would not be her pick.

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As someone who has both an Architecture and a Graduate Degree in Engineering, with the Hope Schooarship GPA requirements I offers students the following advise: Less that 20% of an Architecture or Engineering Class will graduate with above a 3.0 GPA. That does not mean you will not be a fine Architect or Engineer. I have hired many that have been very successful and even better that peers with higher GPA's. If you have to financially count on the HOPE ( even with the change that is in the Legislature) and you have received a full scholarship to another school. For example, a student with these scores is going to receive an offer with instate tuttiion and somewhere between 1/4 to 3/4 of instate tuition being waved. At Auburn. Similar deal at LSU but you have to all paperwork in for honors scholarship by last October. nov and apply early admission. These schoolerships are 4 year scholarships and LSU,s has no tuition increases. I believe Tennessee and Clemson have similar programs. Purdue is looking for diversity of the country they try to have applicant fro every state. And don't jus want a bunch of whit farm boys, I have pointed out a blu whose father i.e. 1/2 east India don mothe is 1/2 Hispanic Catholic should apply to catholic university, they want to increase the diversity to that to the Catholic's church 35-40% then going $100o alumni ss hilorshipmfirom any number of alumni. I can ver her 5-6 for z$5-6 per year. I can get her an church award for Catholic, them I can get her I apdiosiosiam wise. I can go up to a few police and get him to sign up. I can also he a Jew that hav emceed it in polotiect to righ lettered for I k scholarships. These are all 4 star. They I will make sue I volunteer at the bug fundrtraiser at my schoo amd any other the pat I can increase my network,

I have been mentoring a 1/2 Hispano and 1/2 eas asian boy who did not make the cut toe years afpgo at Georgia Siuthern which then was samba tonged by Kennesaw for the aklmightey football. He has take 2 years of required engineering, calculus, science and Preelecteical engineering classes for electrical englinnering. He has a 3.3 GPA and did not get accepted and a transfer. I was surprised. Since threat I know 1/3 drop freshman year and then another 1/3 drop 2nd year the remaking M class has maybe '20% hope eligible the rest are struggling at the Kline and most likely will graduate at 2.6-2.8, but looks the hope at least the last two years.

I suggested the student reapply for transfer at December. Less compilation. He counsel try some of the privat catholic university. Where I graduated. They have actively seeking to increase hispancic engineers and providing scholarship for transfers to. I went there as a firs in the mamily in the 80's. I also could get him alumni scholarship and I could help him get the $4 k per year parish scholarship per year. Their goal was to increase hispancic enrollment to 33% up from 11 last year. I also suggest Purdue and Berkley that I know are looking for locality deversity. I told hi. Friends children's are going to Tulane, Perperdine and Berkley they all have location diversity scholarships that bring their total tuition fees and books down from $60k a year to 12k . They all have families that worn $600-800 k houses in Buckhead and Sandysprings. The sad part is Georgia does not have enough engineering schools.

AlreadySheared
AlreadySheared

@Another comment "I have been mentoring a 1/2 Hispano and 1/2 eas asian boy who did not make the cut toe years afpgo at Georgia Siuthern which then was samba tonged by Kennesaw for the aklmightey football."


And did the mome rath then outgrabe?


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sssinff


@Another comment  An instate student should forego the HOPE scholarship and GT to attend an out of state school such as Auburn or LSU? Right......



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My computer had technical difficulties while I was typing this late at night. Typing did not appear. Then it did not post, so I had no opportunity to post the jumbled mess. This is also called the metered service that AT&T keeps denying they have.

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At Auburn if you have a 3.5 GPA and a 29 or 30 ACT ( it is only 27 at Alabama ) you will receive a waiver of out state tuition. Which means you will only pay what an In-state Alabama student would. Then in addition the first ACT/ Corresponding SAT score ( it was 27,29, 31 at Alabama a couple of years ago when my daughter applied, I haven't looked it up but Auburn's ACT/SAT score cut is a point of two higher ( last time I looked I think the cuts were 29/31/33). Let's just assume 29 is the first cut you get instate tuition and 1/4 scholarship towards in-state tuition. The next level a 31 you get the instate rate with 1/2 scholarship for that tuition, then at the 33 you get instate and with a 75% scholarship off the instate. These scholarships are for 4 years or the normal degree course which can be 5 years with internships. As long as you maintain academic standing with is normally you stay off probation aka above a 2.0. The HOPE is a 3.0 and even if they give credit boosts as proposed in the legislature many students will not maintain it, l

My child has maintained a Hope Scholarship in a STEM major at Georgia State into her third semester of Junior Year. She got caught in the with out advanced notice change on the HOPE and just missed the Cut for the Zell with a 3.6 in lieu of 3.7 ( surprise) so it went to 90% only tuttiion. Even at Georgia state that 90% has now been paired to 82% of tuition only approx. $4,500 in scholarship. Our Fees are over $1,000 and then books and Room and Board. Every 30 hours we could loose the scholarship.

I did not got to Auburn, but I have worked with many architects and engineers from their as well as LSU that were better employees and team members than the GA tech architects and engineers I had. Let me give you one example, where did Tim Cooke of Apple graduate from?

Very few big projects in Atlanta have Georgia Tech as their lead design Architect on the Team. One major design and award firm who designed many projects that won awards, their lead Design Architect ( love him or hate him and his crazy ideas ) was a Univ. of Michigan graduate. I will tell you that Delta and Emory worshipped this guys designs.

I have hired numerous Architects and Engineers both as direct employees and I will tell you that I have seen strong A&E's from a wide variety of schools. You want a top 25 school in your major. Georgia only has one option GT. Local employeers were willing to consider Southern Tech based on successful performance of individual grads. That reputation has been destroyed by the Kennesaw merger,

General Concern
General Concern

"In its second year of partnership with Atlanta Public Schools, Georgia Tech offered admission to a student from every APS high school. Last year, five students enrolled at Tech in the first year of the program, which provides a scholarship to all APS valedictorians and salutatorians for four years of in-state tuition and mandatory fees."


Let's read between the lines here--given the makeup of APS, it is either a student absolutely taking away a spot from another, because of "capital city privilege", someone who would not be able to compete head to head and get in on their own merits if they didn't live in the city Tech is located in...or...it is someone doing very well, had their choice of schools, and gets a scholarship some kid from south Georgia ain't getting. 


The Tech administration needs to be taken out and shot. 

SchoolData
SchoolData

@AlphaParent @AJC censors APS Sals and Vals were losing their Zell Miller scholarships when their GPAs fell below 3.0.  The new APS Tech scholarship will still be good as long as the student remains in good academic standing.
APS Sals and Vals are automatic admits if they took the required high school curriculum.  The way the Board of Regents Freshman Index works is if they have 4.0, they would only need a 500/1600 SAT to get into Tech.  So Tech is basically ignoring the SAT score for APS Sals and Vals http://www.usg.edu/policymanual/section4/C328/

escapeplan
escapeplan

@AJC censors you butt-hurt, Bro?  Your little dude fail to get in and headed to UGA instead?   5 APS students out of a total class of 2,800 will cause barely a ripple in the admissions.  I'll do the match for you - it's less than .2%. 


This is an awesome program aimed at incentivinzing students in poorer areas to excel.  You'll probably know that there are more than 5 high schools in APS, which indicates that valedictorians from some schools didn't make the cut.  So its safe to assume academic standards at Tech won't suffer.  


But cheer up.  Little Junior might be a great welder once he fails at UGA. 

SouthernHope5
SouthernHope5

@AJC censors  My APS student is a freshman at Tech and on the Dean's List and can kick the academic butt of anyone on this message thread. 

Starik
Starik

@AJC censors Shooting might be a little harsh. It is likely that there are students graduating from APS who may very well succeed at Tech.  "Student-Athletes" do. 

Starik
Starik

@Wascatlady @escapeplan @AJC censors The five kids who enrolled last year were most likely from North Atlanta or Grady, or immigrants, or the children of very intelligent and successful black parents. Except for the possible immigrants, how are the poor affected?  Empty gesture.

gactzn2
gactzn2

@AJC censors Such simplemindedness on this blog it is pathetic.  Trust me, there are APS vals and sals who meet the Tech guidelines, and can easily excel and fit in.  Stop generalizing by way of your negative connotations.  There are BLACK students who do succeed.  Furthermore- who is to say they are all even BLACK?  Why am I surprised you all think like this- this IS Georgia...(silly me)

R Wreck
R Wreck

HAlf the Georgia Tech students are foreigners or out of State. Seems bad for a Georgia Taxpayer supported school.

Wascatlady
Wascatlady

@Q1225 @Obazo Not And, if it is like Duke, full need is met only for US residents.  Others from out of country have to supply their own funds.

Q1225
Q1225

@Obazo Not  Ever heard of out-of-state tuition?  GA residents pay $9812, while non-residents pay $30,004.  GA taxpayers are very lucky Tech attracts so many outside applicants.

Wascatlady
Wascatlady

@Q1225 @Obazo Not Actually, to correct myself, Tech is unlikely to meet full need for the very poor.  Even a combination of loans, grants, and work-study will not cover tuition, room, board, books, etc.

Wascatlady
Wascatlady

@Q1225 @Obazo Not I believe some VERY exceptional kids may get tuition waivers.  I know they do in grad school.

AlphaParent
AlphaParent

"Now that students have been offered admission, the task becomes getting them to choose Georgia Tech among the many offers they have received. Clark believes the Georgia Tech community is essential at this point in the process."  


This paragraph hits the nail on the head!  The problem with GT is not if they can get talented students to apply; it's whether these student will choose GT.  GT is many students' safety school.  The average yield rate in recent years hovers around 30%.  In other words, only three out of 10 admitted students have enrolled at GT.  Incidentally, it is the only college in the U.S. where students were robbed at gunpoint inside a classroom.  It is also the only engineering college in the U.S. where professors take great pride in failing students. 

escapeplan
escapeplan

@AlphaParent the main driver in yield is the ability to get enough financial aid, compared to other schools.  That's why Tech is ramping up its programs in this area. 


Sorry you didn't get in, and neither did your brood.   Time for 'Bama?

iwd
iwd

@AlphaParent @Wrecker Low yield rates always come with attracting top students, especially from out of state. GT is competing with MIT for many folks, and yes, more from out of state are likely to go to MIT. If you want high yield rates then lower standards and you will get folks who have few other options

MaureenDowney
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@AlphaParent @Wrecker I looked up yield rates for top southern schools after reading your comment; they ranged from 28.8 percent at Emory to 47 percent at Duke. (Duke has seen a sharp rise in its yield rate over the last five years.) I also looked up other top state schools nationwide, and many reported yield rates between 35 and 41 percent in recent years.


http://www.emory.edu/home/about/factsfigures/index.html

Wascatlady
Wascatlady

@Davis Odom @AlphaParent They are not impressed with dual enrollment at KSU, and half the folks who applied beat the AVERAGE test scores/gpa.


Just a guess.

Davis Odom
Davis Odom

@AlphaParent As someone who beat last year's freshman average test scores and gpa, is dual enrolled at Kennesaw State, worked full time as a software engineer last summer, and has decent portfolio of software on my personal website AND got waitlisted, I hope these people do not choose Tech.  Yes, I am very salty about being waitlisted, how do they accidentally admit too many people last year?

AlphaParent
AlphaParent

@escapeplan That hurts!  Just so you know.  We are not even good enough for 'Bama.  But the worst case, though - we can always go to Auburn to get an edukation.


Seriously, Tech is getting better.  I want the school to do more in the area of alumni support and pride.  Considered what Tech can offer, it is too easy for average students in Georgia to get accepted.  That's why the yield rate is low bc top students don't want to be associated with these average students whom Tech has accepted.  Just survey accepted students who don't enroll.  What are your top 3 reasons for not enrolling at Tech?  I bet ya one of the top 3 reasons is:  Tech, you sell yourself short.  If the average students from my school are admitted, I can do better elsewhere.

AlphaParent
AlphaParent

@Davis Odom I love Tech!  I just hope they would accept fewer students and raise the yield rate.  Too many students accepted have no chance of surviving the first two years.  I want the incoming freshmen class to be greeted, "Class of 2020!"  Not "Freshmen Class of 2016!"  You know the difference!  They already assume students can't graduate in 4 years or may have to drop out.  Need to focus more on the top students and do whatever necessary to get them in.

DrTruth
DrTruth

@AlphaParent I'd be surprised if you're accepted anywhere.  You sound like 3 different people posting under 1 name.  You love Tech....Then you post negative things about Tech....Then you want more alumni support & pride....Then you "claim" that average students in GA are readily accepted at GT, which is a statement that's the height of ignorance.


Since you already have a problem with numbers and incorrectly analyzing them to form erroneous conclusions that aren't based on fact, GT won't even give you a second look....And it seems like you just got the news.


"This year, the average SAT is 1445 (out of 1600), with 10 college-level courses completed."  These are not admissions standards for so-called "average students".  The yield rate is low because many, if not most, highly-qualified students apply to multiple institutions and they can't attend all of the schools that accept them.....Duh!


And as for GA students specifically, GT has ALWAYS accepted a higher % of GA applicants because it's a GEORGIA school.  Get it?


GT doesn't accept average students.  Never has, never will.  Just basic common sense would tell you that when the number of applicants to GT has doubled over the past 4 years, they can afford to be much more selective in who they choose to admit.

DrTruth
DrTruth

@Insguru At Tech they teach you that it's not what you gross, but what you NET.  Gross doesn't mean squat.

DrTruth
DrTruth

@AlphaParent I'm pretty sure GT isn't going to modify their acceptance standards based on your input.  And just so you know, when you go through orientation at GT, they take you into the gym and tell you to look at the person on your right and the person on your left....Two of you won't be here at graduation.  That's WHY a GT Degree means something.  They don't just hand them out to everyone.  You have to EARN it.


And you should really do some research before you just wildly make up stuff.  For example, here you will find where GT was ranked as the NUMBER ONE Smartest Public College In America:


http://www.businessinsider.com/smartest-public-colleges-in-america-2014-10


So saying, "Need to focus more on the top students and do whatever necessary to get them in" is just pure nonsense.  You also say, "Too many students accepted have no chance of surviving the first two years."  Again, research is your friend:


http://factbook.gatech.edu/academic-information/graduation-and-retention-rates-tables-5-11-5-12/


You'll notice the retention rate for entering Freshmen after 5 years is 89%, and this number has been steadily rising as the admission standards have become more selective.  See how that works?


You can also see that while about 40% graduate within the "normal" 4 years, that number balloons to 80% by 5 years.  It's a hard school.  Some courses have to be dropped or repeated....But an 80% grad rate within 5 years at the smartest public college in the country means they know a whole lot more about who they should admit than you do.


Perhaps you should find something more productive to do with your time?

AlphaParent
AlphaParent

@DrTruth  I sound like 3 persons?  You didn't get my rant.  Tech would take anyone - even the very average students.  Read my comments again!!!  That's my main rant.  Very average kids are accepted at Tech.  There are some very bright ones for sure but very few will actually enroll at Tech.  You have to understand the yield rate to understand my rant.  Let me explain again.  Only 3 out of 10 accepted students choose to enroll at Tech.  So forget about these fabulous SAT scores and AP courses - they belong to those who are accepted but choose to go somewhere else.  Does this makes sense to you now?  I am not here to hurt anyone's feelings.  Tech needs to do more to attract the brilliant students.

DrTruth
DrTruth

@AlphaParent PART ONE


"Tech needs to do more to attract the brilliant students."  "Very average kids are accepted at Tech."  "So forget about these fabulous SAT scores and AP courses - they belong to those who are accepted but choose to go somewhere else."  You have ZERO statistics to support any of those statements.


The problem with your "rant" is none of it is based on FACT.  Just because you believe something doesn't make it factual.  You keep saying that the kids with great SAT scores that are accepted to GT end up going somewhere else and (as a result) GT is forced to accept "very average kids".  This is just WRONG.  I'll even do your research for you to prove it to you once and for all.


Look at the tables on this page:


http://factbook.gatech.edu/admissions-and-enrollment/sat-scores/


The first thing you'll notice is the AVG SAT score for Entering Freshmen Fall 2015 was 1449, which was actually 4 points HIGHER than the avg accepted SAT score for Fall 2016 (noted in this story).  This is your first clue that the "smartest" students accepted to GT aren't enrolling at other schools.  Next you will see that the avg NATIONAL SAT score for 2015 was 1006.


From that you can conclude that an "average" student with an SAT score of 1006 is NOT going to be accepted at GT.  Period.  If you still can't understand this, then you are just lost.

DrTruth
DrTruth

@AlphaParent PART TWO


Next, we'll look further at your repeated claim that those fabulous SAT scores of accepted students don't end up going to GT.  Take a look at this page:


http://www.businessinsider.com/smartest-public-colleges-in-america-2014-10


It should be obvious that you don't get to be the #1 Smartest Public College in America if all of the smart students are going to other schools.  And that ranking had GT listed with an avg SAT of 1385....but I just showed you that the TRUE avg SAT for entering freshmen last fall was 1449.  So as far as PUBLIC colleges, your claim is exactly the opposite of the truth.  The "Super Smart" students are enrolling at GT at a higher rate than any other public college in America.  Do you get it yet?


Finally this nonsense about GT needing to do more to attract the brilliant students.  In 2006, the avg enrolled SAT at GT was 1343.  It has increased every year since and was 1449 last fall.  Combine that with being the #1 smartest public college in America and obviously GT is doing a better job attracting the brilliant students than any other public college in the country.


Yield rate, as used in your arguments, is irrelevant because if the yield rate was 100% instead of 30%, then GT would still be ENROLLING students with an avg SAT of 1445 this fall.  You are ASSUMING that nearly all accepted students in the 30% that enroll are below the 1445 avg and those above the 1445 avg choose to go somewhere else.  But since the enrolled avg SAT was higher for fall 2015 than the accepted avg SAT for fall 2016 and GT is the "Smartest" public college in America, your assumption can't possibly be true.


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