Nearly 2,000 children in campus childcare centers where guns would now be allowed

Two retired military leaders urge the General Assembly to make child care a greater priority, as the Department of Defense has done.

One overlooked aspect of the college campus carry bill:  There are about 1,700 young children in university sanctioned childcare centers around the state. House Bill 859, as passed by the House and Senate, would allow guns in those childcare facilities.

The legislation allows anyone 21 or older with a weapons license to carry a gun anywhere on a public college or university campus, except for limited locations — inside dormitories, fraternities and sorority houses, and at athletic events.

Gov. Nathan Deal appears to be heeding concerns about the safety of babies and toddlers in campus facilities.

My colleagues at the AJC’s Political Insider report:

Gov. Nathan Deal wants substantive changes to a measure that would allow college students to carry concealed guns onto campuses, suggesting on Monday that he might veto the controversial proposal if lawmakers don’t take a second crack at it.

The governor said in a statement on Monday that he wants lawmakers to exempt on-campus child care centers from legislation that would legalize firearms at all public colleges in Georgia. He also raised concerns about dually-enrolled high school students who leave school to attend classes, and he said universities and technical colleges should have discretion to set their own rules regarding disciplinary hearings for weapons-related charges.

“Addressing these issues is an important step in ensuring the safety and freedoms of students, faculty and staff in our institutions of higher learning throughout our state,” he said.

 

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Fjminmt
Fjminmt

@Everytown SO GREAT!!! The greatest EXAMPLE of Gluttons Over Poverty favored ABORTION techniques! " breed'en, don't feed'em, shootEM"!!

Fjminmt
Fjminmt

@Everytown THAT'S SO NICE!! Toddlers shooting each other & the teachers! What blind oof brain thought this fantastic idea up? A genius?

BodoThibodeaux
BodoThibodeaux

@shouldavoted and yet - not one shooting with those thousands of guns. Another left wing talking point dies a silent, gunfire - free death.

MaryElizabethSings
MaryElizabethSings

Thank you to Gov. Deal for showing political courage and not signing HB 859.  I hope and pray that Gov. Deal will veto this bill.

coj
coj

How many crimes of passion or anger is committed by a licensed and trained citizen? 


Several studies conducted in recent years have given us great insight into the psychology of gun ownership; meaning the beliefs and behaviors frequently exhibited by gun owners and the motivations behind them keeping weapons.


As it turns out, cultural context, racial biases, political affiliation, and anger issues are all related to gun ownership.


Those who own guns tend to be part of a “social gun culture.”

Men who carry guns suffer from a “crisis of confidence.”

Gun owners tend to be angry and impulsive.

Holding a gun can make you paranoid.

Those with racist views are more likely to oppose gun reform.

Conservatives are far more likely to own firearms than others.

Risk-taking students are more likely to have guns at college.


So, why would you want these types of people to carry guns with them all the time? Especially when they are impulsive or angry or both?

BurroughstonBroch
BurroughstonBroch

Quote the studies you reference, who performed them, and who paid for them.

gapeach101
gapeach101

Why should schools "have discretion to set their own rules regarding disciplinary hearings for weapons-related charges"?  Then you get into all kinds of questions about due process.  Ask Universities about the mess they are dealing with now with sexual assault charges and disciplinary committees.

Jamesr1991
Jamesr1991

How soon will some failing student threaten a professor for their bad grades? Have personal friend who is quitting community college teaching gig in Texas due to the campus carry there. How soon we see a "brain drain" in Georgia?

redweather
redweather

@Jamesr1991 It happened to me a few years ago. The young man seemed to be dealing (or not) with something else in his life. He was always quite tense and/or annoyed while in class. He stopped attending class regularly and then stopped submitting assignments.  


He confronted me outside of class fairly late in the semester and made a vague threat to the effect that he might have to do something about his grade. I hoped that meant he would eventually complain to someone higher up, like a dean. I was mildly worried for the next week or two. Had guns been allowed on campus, however, I would have alerted my department chair immediately.

Vespidie
Vespidie

@Jamesr1991 You people are clueless, but let me answer your question.  It'll happen about the same time that it would have without this law having been put in place.  The only difference is that when the law is enacted the anti-gun crowd will incorrectly correlate the campus carry law with ANY incident that takes place from now on.  A built in fallacy per se for the anti campus carry (anti-gun) folks.

With the logic being presented, only a person with a CCW permit would be a threat.  Has anybody even considered the idea that students have already been bringing guns to campuses across the United States for years?  Criminals are going to be criminals, despite laws that have been put in place.

Consider this thought for a moment.  The next time you take a trip to your local grocery store, or during your next shopping trip, I'd be willing to bet that someone in that store has a weapon in their possession.  Whether carrying legally or not, try to determine who the law abiding citizens are versus those who aren't.

class80olddog
class80olddog

@redweather @Jamesr1991  Why would you be more frightened now than you would then?  That student could have purchased a gun and shot you then (those gun-free zones don't ACTUALLY keep people from bringing guns in).  He also could have just taken a knife and stabbed you.  But you are more afraid of students who have passed background checks.

dcdcdc
dcdcdc

Fascinating article from Wall Street Journal today written by Eva Moskowitz, of Success Academy, a leading provider of charter schools in NYC.  I especially appreciated her comment that " Over the past year, The Time's principal education reporter has devoted 34% of the total word count of her education stories to unrelenting negative coverage of Success".  It's almost like Newspaper "education journalists" have the same theme and strategy.


I found this particularly interesting - and explains the incredible fear and trepidation the eduacracy has for charter schools.  "Many education professors are also critical of strict charter schools. But there is at least one group that strongly supports our schools: parents. For the current school year, Success Academies received 22,000 applications for 2,300 spots. Another network in New York City with a similar approach, Achievement First, received 21,000 applications for 1,000 spots. Meanwhile, most district schools with which we compete are massively under-enrolled."


Something tells me we won't see Maureen sharing Ms. Moskowitz' commentary here.  I wonder why......

sneakpeakintoeducation
sneakpeakintoeducation

There are plenty of articles discrediting Eva's schools and her no-excuse style she demands in her schools. Her chain of school is being taken to court by parents who are tired of the abuse their children have received at the hands of teachers who write children up at the age of 5 for things like not making eye contact, not walking down the hall with hands in their pockets and other frivolous infractions. There is the go-to-go list that has a list of pupils the school wants to send back to the public school so they constantly make their life hell and call the parents in to remove the child at the beginning of the school day for something frivilous. Have a look at Educational reporter John Merrow's piece that he did on the high suspension rates and attrition rates. It's eye opening. Her schools are nor an example we should want to follow.

redweather
redweather

@dcdcdc Eva Moskowitz and her Success Charters schools have been in NYC news ever since (and even before) de Blasio became mayor. Hard to imagine that the education reporter for the New York Times wouldn't devote a considerable number of columns to Moskowitz.


As for those columns (and I've read them), describing the coverage as unrelentingly negative is a stretch.

mtman100
mtman100

Why is this a problem? We are talking only about 21 year old licensed, vetted, law abiding citizens,  carrying within the scope of the law. The armed robbers on campus at the GSU library weren't too concerned about  the children, were they? As a GSU alum, there is no way in today's crime ridden culture, would I go to night classes there unarmed. The police can't protect us. So, let us protect ourselves. The same people warned us about gunfights breaking out on MARTA when the law passed that allowed concealed there. It didn't happen and won't be a problem with campus carry; just like it isn't a problem with the some 35 other states that allow campus carry now.

class80olddog
class80olddog

You pointed out in your "active shooter" post that at Virginia Tech, 20 of the 32 people were shot while curled up on the floor in a fetal position.  The gist is to fight back.  But then you don't want to give them the opportunity to have a weapon to fight back with!  That makes no sense whatsoever.

class80olddog
class80olddog

It is ironic - the PC crowd fought for years to get the mentally insane out of "asylums" - and finally succeeded.  Now they are out here with us and living under bridges and are homeless.  Nice work, PC crowd!

mar1049
mar1049

@class80olddog Interesting spin. It isn't the homeless who have been shooting up schools, movie houses and churches. At least they aren't the ones on the news who do these acts. But blame them for something right?

sneakpeakintoeducation
sneakpeakintoeducation

@class

For you the answer to gun violence is to put out more guns into the hands of the public.

class80olddog
class80olddog

@mar1049 @class80olddog  I wasn't talking about the homeless, I was talking about the INSANE.  The Kalamazoo Uber shooter says his iPhone Uber app was the devil and took control of his body.  We all know about the Sandy Hook devil and his insane mom.  Remember the Perimeter Mall shooter - went to his psychologist and told him/her he thought he would fell better if he killed someone. 

class80olddog
class80olddog

@sneakpeakintoeducation  I also believe the way to reduce prison overcrowding is to incarcerate more criminals! You certainly don't decrease gun violence by making the only people with guns the criminals!

class80olddog
class80olddog

@mar1049 @class80olddog  " a document found in Mr. Brady's pocket said he suffered from delusions, ''can be hostile, threatening, and has a history of alcohol abuse.'' During questioning, the police said, Mr. Brady talked of God and about a ''mechanical device'' inside him controlling his actions. "


dcdcdc
dcdcdc

Sickening how folks who truly think they are "do-gooders", don't realize the defenseless position they are putting students in by disarming them, and not allowing them to defend themselves (and others).  Daniel Parmenter of Northern Ill died while laying on the floor trying to cover up his girlfriend with his body.  The shooter had time to run out of bullets - calmly stop, reload, and kill him and others - because no one else was armed and able to shoot back.


5 young lives taken - completely innocent people - disarmed because of "gun free" zone laws that criminals ignore at will - in fact, are attracted to since they know their victims are defenseless.


http://www.pantagraph.com/news/student-slain-by-gunman-tried-to-protect-girlfriend/article_d8df11bc-38d2-5048-811b-73b1328e87b1.html

dcdcdc
dcdcdc

Wouldn't want an armed law abiding citizen near a child care center.  Heck no - then they might actually be able to defend folks if a crazed gun-person started shooting adults and kids alike.  


Much better to only have the criminal gun-person be armed.  Maybe the workers can just throw pacifiers at the shooter....I'm sure that will calm the situation....

class80olddog
class80olddog

I have an idea:  let's make it illegal for convicted felons to own guns!  That would keep a lot of murders from happening.  Also, let's prohibit mentally ill people from buying guns.  Let's also keep school children safe by making schools GUN-FREE zones.  Same way we protect women from domestic abuse by giving them a restraining order.  We all know how well those work to protect women. We could seriously put the mentally unstable in asylums.  We could put criminals in prison.  How many crimes do you see where the perpetrator has 15 prior convictions?


Lee_CPA2
Lee_CPA2

So, Maureen, after 8 or 10 anti-gun articles, when are you going to get a pro-gun commentator to provide an article? I know you work for the anti-gun AJC, but even they would probably allow a 10-1 ratio.

Lee_CPA2
Lee_CPA2

@MaureenDowney @Lee_CPA2

Or, you could do what you're paid to do and contact the author of the bill or any number of gun enthusiast groups such as:

NRA

Gun Owners of America

Georgiacarry.org

Georgiapacking.org

Georgiaconcealedcarry.com


I'm sure any of those individuals or groups could compile an article with much more facts and data than I could. 

class80olddog
class80olddog

And how many thousands of day care centers can a person walk into today with a gun?  Or college classrooms?  (how many classrooms have gunmen ALREADY walked into?)