Georgia State professor: Retirement hastened by prospect of guns on campus

Multiple protests and parent concerns were not enough to persuade the governor to veto campus carry. TAYLOR.CARPENTER/AJC

C. S. Thachenkary just retired after more than three decades as an associate professor in the J. Mack Robinson College of Business at Georgia State University.

He conducts research on the diffusion and adoption of emerging technologies, especially, information and telecommunication systems. His focus has been on understanding the economics of residential broadband networks and services.

In this essay, Dr. Thachenkary discusses the role a bill legalizing guns on public college campuses played in his decision to retire. He directs his comments on House Bill 859 to Georgia Gov. Nathan Deal, who has expressed misgivings about campus carry but has not said whether he will veto it.

By C.S. Thachenkary

After 33 plus years teaching at Georgia State University, I retired from active service effective on Dec. 31, 2015.

A significant factor that hastened my decision was the impending House Bill 859.  As a member of the University Senate and a Chair of its Faculty Affairs and Budget Committees, I had followed the bill’s progress from its inception. I was quite certain the House would approve it in its 2016 session.

The “campus carry” bill would allow guns in classrooms but not at “athletic sporting events or student housing, including, but not limited to, fraternity and sorority houses.”

Here are some questions I’d like to raise:  After walking around campus all day with a concealed weapon, where would a student who lives on campus in a dormitory check-in his weapon for the night?  And, where would non-resident students store their guns, if not driving to or from campus?

Students will have to be 21 years or older to carry a licensed gun. However, many of our undergraduates would be under that age. Does not HB 859 put them at a safety disadvantage relative to their senior mates? Does Georgia put itself at a legal jeopardy here?

High-achieving high school students in Georgia are allowed to dual-enroll in its colleges. Who is responsible for their campus safety? Also, of young children left at campus day care facilities?

Oh, do you mind being the professor in a classroom after just returning a midterm exam? One student has failed your test, again. And this student has a history of mental illness not disclosed to you, the instructor?

Well, he’s going to be in your classroom for the rest of the semester but would now be allowed to bring a concealed weapon?  A minor inconvenience, you say? Watch what happens to grade inflation.

I personally do not believe arming students is an effective crime-fighting strategy on campus. That’s best left to our professionally trained security officers.  Our schools are designated “drug-free zones” for a reason.

Shouldn’t they be “gun-free” also?

Finally, Governor, you have hired a capable and talented team of university leaders to run our University System of Georgia. The chancellor and a number of our University presidents have expressed their objection to HB 859 and offered you valid reasons for doing so.

Your reluctance or failure to heed their advice would be tantamount to a “vote of non-confidence” in your own handpicked team

 

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Agent_Orange76
Agent_Orange76

@Bradybuzz Good riddance. A grown man/woman afraid of people exercising a basic human right probably isn't fit to teach.

ajfuzz1
ajfuzz1

@Everytown got dam lib tards takin way er guns next thing u know we havin' ourselves a genocide like larry mao and stalin

ldw-Atlanta
ldw-Atlanta

very well put.  There is absolutely no good reason for this bill to become law.  I would not allow my child to enroll in any school with an open carry policy and I will not shop in any store where guns are permitted.  I value MY safety.


Cook Kurtis
Cook Kurtis

If you go to Georgia State you better carry a gun. They set right in the middle of crime central Atlanta.

Lee_CPA2
Lee_CPA2

The great irony in all this?  Without the non-stop hysterics by the anti-gun news media and protesters, only a tiny number of people would have been aware of the bill and you MIGHT have had a handful of students arming themselves.  Now, there will be some that will carry just to spite the anti-gunners.  In the end, the novelty will wear off and they too will stop carrying.



Kelley Marie
Kelley Marie

"Students will have to be 21 years or older to carry a licensed gun. However, many of our undergraduates would be under that age. Does not HB 859 put them at a safety disadvantage relative to their senior mates? Does Georgia put itself at a legal jeopardy here?" --- Exactly. It's just asking for legal trouble. Many of these crazy bills have been coming from the rural red neck counties. I find it funny that those who made this bill do not represent the inner city of Atlanta and yet they use the inner city as justification for their bill. Why don't we let those inner districts/schools decide rather than having Bartow and other rural counties decide what's best for the entire University of Georgia school system?

Ed Hallman
Ed Hallman

Example of fear spouting liberals.

Laura Beard Broggi
Laura Beard Broggi

if they are gun free, the only one with a gun will be the one meaning to kill people

LaTim Netto
LaTim Netto

Our schools will turn into the ol' wild west with gun slingers all around. What is this nation turning into? What children are we raising and what will the future look like for them and their children? Sigh!

William Alexander
William Alexander

In no way should students have guns, most teachers shouldn't have guns on campus. They just need armed security guards. But you can't stop the illegal guns so it's better to have legal guns around to fight back. Just seems like it's gonna end bad tho.

Jackson Wilson
Jackson Wilson

So how is the "drug free" campus working out professor? (If you haven't been following the news a Georgia State student (drug dealer) and a buyer shot each other two weeks ago in a drug deal gone bad ON CAMPUS.)

Brian Peters
Brian Peters

a good guy with a gun could have stopped that..

Jeffery Powell
Jeffery Powell

thats good --left wing professors made me retire early-we are even

Lana Rutland
Lana Rutland

Good, you were probably one of those professors that teach extreme liberalism.

Justin Daniel
Justin Daniel

Idiots have to learn the hard way...hopefully Georgia comes to their senses.

James Beck
James Beck

Um, drugs are illegal and guns are not. So, not exactly a bright guy there, probably best that he did retire. Maybe get someone that knows how to make a valid comparison.

Omar K. Ali
Omar K. Ali

I'm not for gun control as I am for people control. There are quite a few that shouldn't even be allowed to use a spork.

Philip Creviston
Philip Creviston

Since no one ever does drugs at school or on campus right? Maybe it was time to retire they seem to be getting a little senile

Devin Scott
Devin Scott

No. They should be armed even more heavily, idiots.

Philip Creviston
Philip Creviston

that was in a gun free zone. Good try though, maybe next time

Daniel McDowell
Daniel McDowell

Virginia tech had armed security...didnt stop nothing did it...

Dionysia Laboard
Dionysia Laboard

U don't remember the.incident with the.Corean student who gunned.down students at Virginia Tech? Apparently, u have.no heart.for.those who died and their families! And indeed, there was armed.campus police and.that.didn't help either! It makes.sense.to.have.gun free zones? Really!!!

Philip Creviston
Philip Creviston

Maybe you should learn how to type without periods. Okay so the police had guns, the victims sure didn't. You're point?

Tony Ostoja
Tony Ostoja

Hey Phillip! Say you are in the dorm getting shot up, and I'm across the street - with a phone. Do you want to hope and believe I know whats going on, and call the police? OR, would you like to call them yourself with your phone? ............................................................................................................................. I feel the same way about my personal security and my gun buddy!

Alex Kinnebrew
Alex Kinnebrew

The VA Tech Shooter brought his firearm in the school illegally...

Rubin Wiley
Rubin Wiley

I just want to know who made the Capitol a thought-free zone.

Walter Reinhardt
Walter Reinhardt

Yes advertise to people hey we have no way to protect ourselves come on in

Andy McClure
Andy McClure

They are neither drug free nor gun free. We all know that. Thugs and punks have been willfully and knowingly violating those policies for years. It never seemed to force the professors to want to leave so far. Why fear the licensed, law abiding individual over the worthless predator thugs?

Julie Rush
Julie Rush

Ask the kids at ga state and tech that have been robbed you boogeyman flicking liberals

Philip Creviston
Philip Creviston

^well good for you, you are in the minority. As a GSu student I can tell you I don't feel safe setting foot on campus

Tabitha Lynn
Tabitha Lynn

My husband attended law school for three years at Georgia State and we lived right off of Georgia Tech's campus. We never witnessed a crime take place and never needed a gun.

Barry Pendry
Barry Pendry

I hope more faculty members across the state do this in protest.

Barry Pendry
Barry Pendry

Dawn they aren’t idiots..they are afraid a mentally unbalanced young person might come into their classroom...even though the law forbids guns in campus classrooms.

Debra Fish
Debra Fish

He was triggered and had to go to his safe space.

David Clark
David Clark

C. Thachenkary, retired 31 Dec 15 after monitoring HB 859.  I find this a false premise as the Georgia General Assembly didn't even have a Bill 859 until it was filed on 27 Jan. 2016.  Thachenkary should submit himself as a test subject for his gift of clairvoyance and fortune telling.  He never followed this Bill from "its inception" as it didn't exist prior to 27 Jan 2016. This alone negates anything else he wrote in his "letter".  It's a wonder that such a huge falsehood was not caught by the AJC reporter Taylor Carpenter or the AJC editorial staff but then again, fact checking isn't a strong point for the AJC is it?

Thachenkary asks where a student that lives on campus would store their gun at night.  I would say they would store it in the same place they do now.  The few Law-Abiding GWCL holders that may live on campus don't have their guns their because it's against the law.  Unless Thachenkary can cite actual evidence of his fantasy claim.

Thachenkary worries about guns being around students under 21 years of age.  Poor little snowflakes.  Of course Thachenkary ignores the fact that in Georgia that High School and Middle Schools have robust shooting programs that breaks down to:

·135 High school rifle teams

·520 JROTC high school rifle teams

·139 Counties with 4-H shooting teams - rifles and shotguns

·Over 100,000 Boy Scout participating in Boy Scout programs

·There are estimated over 200,000 students participating in the above programs and there are many other programs in the state that are run by churches and other entities.

Thachenkary worries about a student pulling a gun because of a bad test grade.  What’s stopping a student from doing that now? Thachenkary wasn't worried about criminals before but is suddenly concerned when a licensed and vetted law-abiding citizen exercises his/her right? 

Just as criminals obey the current "drug free zone" signs, perhaps government should also make it illegal to use meth or steal laptops.  Thachenkary's problems would be solved but alas, we know the truth.  Thachenkary lives in a world of rainbows and unicorns with little realization of how the real world functions let alone understands the laws of the State of Georgia.

Finally I would challenge Thachenkary to cite just one authentic reference to a real incident perpetrated by a GWCL Holder such as he fantastically imagines.  We're waiting Professor.

Enjoy your retirement.



Astropig
Astropig

@OriginalProf @David Clark


What you wrote would be correct...If he had not specifically referenced this years bill. The guy's a liar.I don't care what his CV says,he's just making up a whopper.He was probably ready to retire and quietly destroy a couple of companies by "consulting" them right into bankruptcy,but he saw a chance to get in a cheap shot at everyone he has a grievance with and this space gave him a forum.


He SPECIFICALLY referenced HB 859. He...Is...A...Liar.

Lee_CPA2
Lee_CPA2

@David Clark

Great post David.  I recall being on a rifle team back in the 70's.    Figured they would be discontinued when schools became "gun free zones".  Glad to hear they are still doing that.