Opinion: Compassion for children of illegal immigrants shouldn’t outweigh law

The White House has announced that DACA, an Obama directive, is in jeopardy if Congress does not act on immigration reform. (AP Photo/Chris Pizzello)

D.A. King of Marietta is an anti-illegal immigration activist. He is president of the Dustin Inman Society, named for the Georgia teenager killed in 2000 when an illegal immigrant crashed into the Inman family’s car while it was stopped at a red light.

In this piece, King addresses the president of Agnes Scott and her support of students on her campus whose parents are undocumented immigrants. President Elizabeth Kiss’ column ran earlier this week on the Get Schooled blog. His point on students attending U.S. colleges under the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals or DACA: “They are not merely children of illegals – they are illegals. If not, they wouldn’t need deferred action on deportation.”

By D.A. King

In her plea to continue to educate the illegal aliens to whom President Obama has illegally granted executive amnesty, Agnes Scott College President Elizabeth Kiss’ compassion is duly noted. We get it. She is an educated, caring and enlightened American whose family escaped the horror of the Nazis and totalitarian Communist oppression. And the students in question just want to be Americans.

We respectfully note that such a column by a college president would not be needed in Mexican newspapers as illegal aliens are not considered victims or given special privileges in that nation.

It is time for the left to invent a different “anything but-illegal” label – it is too much of a stretch to call the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals illegals “undocumented” when they have been rewarded with a Social Security number, a work permit bearing fingerprints and a driver’s license.

For curious readers, yes, illegal aliens in Georgia are being issued the same driver’s licenses issued to foreign diplomats and Mercedes-Benz executives. It does not note their still-illegal status, and they can use it to board airliners.

Many of us who speak out for an equal application of American law – even on immigration – share Kiss’ concern for some of these young people. But we take a dim view of holding them up as a negative example of the consequences of America’s borders and already liberal immigration laws.

Pandering politicians and the parental abuse perpetrated by foreign parents who recognized they could make more money if they lived in the United States caused this crisis of  “to enforce the law or not enforce the law” – the American dream of Americans to preserve and protect a constitutional republic be damned.

Many of the seven billion people in the world would jump at the chance to make it over our borders illegally – or overstay a temporary visa – to set up a permanent home for their families here.

That reflection of human nature is being proven even now as a record annual number – more than in 2014 – of “children” and “family units” happily crossing our southern border illegally and rushing to report to the nearest demoralized Border Patrol Agent to take advantage of Obama’s “send them on” policy.

Given the lack of “mainstream media” coverage of this intentional and politically driven debacle, I triple-dog dare the AJC PolitiFact editors to challenge that statement.

There can be no permanent solution to the illegal status of these DACA-covered illegal aliens or any other part of our immigration crisis unless and until there is lawful action by the Executive Branch and Congress to make it clear to the world the United States can and will forever secure our borders, track visa departures and enforce all of our immigration laws – even if illegal aliens have children.

If we can find a Congress with the courage to pass genuinely “one-time,” narrow and honest legislation that can help allow some of the “Dreamers” who are in school now to have their illegal status removed, it should be done. They should never be granted American citizenship.

The concept that Obama’s 2012 re-election ploy and his illegal executive decree that is DACA should directly result in U.S. citizenship and voting rights for anyone is a non-starter for most fed-up Americans.

The rule of law and its equal application is what is supposed to set us apart from the people President Kiss’ family escaped.

 

 

 

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class80olddog
class80olddog

I just hope the Mayors of cities and the Presidents of college don't develop compassion for murderers.

MaryElizabethSings
MaryElizabethSings

To highlight an important closure, at least to me, of words I wrote to class80olddog, below:


Btw, I do not want America to rule the world.  I want America to lead the way, with moral authority, to build partnerships in which responsibility for the world's people and the world's literal survival depend.  President Obama understood this, as did his protege Hillary Clinton.


Now, under Trump, I feel as if we are all afloat on a "ship of fools" led by the master magician who has no moral authority because he alone, through those in America who are unaware, wants to rule the world.


OriginalProf
OriginalProf

@MaryElizabethSings 

I just saw this. I have faith that this country's Constitution, balance of power between the branches of government, and sensibility of its citizens will prevail, even against Trump. Seriously.

class80olddog
class80olddog


I found an research paper the other day that addresses the issue of spending and student achievement, but it also looks at the correlation of other issues:  http://digitalcommons.usu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1020&context=gradreports    Look at the graphs at the end.  Almost without fail, there is no correlation between increased spending and student performance (sometimes there is less student performance with increased spending).  Class size is important.  The other issues that were negative were % of ELL and % of single parent families (sounds familiar).  Higher Median family income, of course, was associated with improved performance. The other thing that stands out to me is the scattershot nature of these graphs - while the trend might be clear, there are lots of outliers.  That means that low-income families CAN and DO produce higher outcomes occasionally.



An American Patriot
An American Patriot

Finally, a voice of reason.  I firmly believe that when President-Elect Mr. Donald J. Trump becomes President Donald J. Trump on January 20, 2017, he will go to work on the Illegal Alien problem that is costing us billions and billions of dollars each and every year, contributing to the infrastructure problems in our schools and hospitals, drugs and crime coming across our border now because bhusseino will not enforce the laws on our books regarding illegal immigration.  That's going to stop on January 20, 2017 and a great wall will be built.


Some say it is impossible to deport 11M illegal aliens from our country, that it would take years and hundreds of billions of dollars. Those are the scare mongers among us.


On March 1, 2017 after President Trump's inarguration on January 20, 2017, he should make a major announcement regarding illegal aliens.  In it, he should address ALL people in the United States of America Illegally.  Some should be told that if they are here because they have overstayed their visas, they have thirty (30) days to get to their nearest ICE office and check in. Those not complying will be found and they will not be happy. Others here illegally will have until June 1, 2018 to remove themselves back to their home country, that we are going to enforce our immigration laws that are on our books.  I'll guarantee you, millions will self deport.  


Those illegal aliens here who have and are still committing crimes against American Citizens will be rounded up and deported immediately.  Everyone who is in the US of A illegally have committed a crime.....and that's a fact.

Honor First
Honor First

Why should Americans have to shoulder the burden of poor decisions made by illegal alien parents. First, they trek across miles of dangerous terrain with their children in tow. If an American parent subjected their children to such danger, for mainly economic reasons, they would be charged with child endangerment, but illegal aliens get free passes.


The parents know they are placing their children in a legally unstable environment, so they should face the consequences. They really have two choices: continue to remain illegally, while their children receive first rate public education for free, and hope they don't get caught/deported; or cut their losses and leave on their own terms. 


I don't hate illegal aliens and I realize most are good people, thank God. I just want them to be good people in their native country. Whatever benefits they might have gained, like free public education for their children, can be put to good use back home. Educating, medicating, and all too often incarcerating illegal aliens is a expense we don't need. Those dollars need to be redirected to care for our own poor, elderly, and veterans. It really is quite sick when you think about colleges giving in-sate tuitions to illegal aliens, that compete with American kids for limited college seats. Heck, we even have a Federal District Court Judge in San Diego knowingly sponsoring an illegal alien for a full scholarship to attend an American law school??? 


America already is the most compassionate nation on the face of the earth. We issue more permanent resident visas each and every year than any other country, in addition we provide a safe haven to hundreds of thousands of aliens under our "Temporary Protective Status" (TPS)(look it up under "USCIS TPS" in Google), then we provide permanent residence to thousands more through our refugee/asylum programs, which the Obama administration has streretched beyond it's orginal purpose. 


Time to say goodbye to illegal aliens. Amnesty didn't work back in 1986 and it won't work now. It is just a sign of weakness that draws them in.

pay4play
pay4play

Almost alone among developed nations, we allow low-skilled migrants to determine our immigration policy.

These migrants are encouraged by Democrat partisans eager to change our demographics and businesses eager for cheap labor. Journalists are largely in the first category, and that's why nothing is written about the huge cost of illegal immigration to taxpayers.

And to American workers forced to compete for jobs.

GaPatriot
GaPatriot

We have been failed by our "representatives" in Congress, who have plotted to allow the Chamber of Commerce to dictate policies and not prosecute employers who deliberately skirt the law and hire illegals.  This is NOT about farming - prisoners and mechanized farming would solve this problem, and illegals are not just on the farm - they are everywhere.  Many illegals work in jobs where the wages have been suppressed because of illegals such as butchers, landscapers and construction.


They also have children they cannot afford, and the taxpayers subsidize business labor forces through welfare, Section 8, food stamps, Earned Income Tax Credit and WIC - and free Medicaid.  Jobs paid in cash are a bonus to illegals and those who have jobs where they have deductions will claim children who are not theirs.  Georgia paid 2 billion for healthcare and dentists for illegals a year.  Donald Trump was elected because his policies are pro-American - trade, immigration and jobs - finally!  

class80olddog
class80olddog

What I am frustrated about is that in 2013, there was a bipartisan immigration bill that would have addressed some of these concerns - but it could not get passed.  Now one of the reasons given for not passing it was it failed to control the border, which turned out to be a very legitimate concern (unaccompanied minors).

MaureenDowney
MaureenDowney moderator

On the question of illegal immigrants and whether they fill jobs that would otherwise go wanting: 


There is real evidence that immigrants do jobs Georgians won’t do and that their labor is vital.

 In 2011, when the governor learned a new crackdown on immigrant workers left Georgia farmers short 11,000 farmhands to pick crops, he called for a program connecting probationers looking for jobs with the farmers. The agriculture industry released a separate report documenting $74.9 million in crop losses tied to labor shortages.

Farmers argued many U.S. citizens won't pick fruits and vegetables on their fields because the work is extremely hot and physically demanding.

Here is what the AJC reported on how the governor’s experiment went:


One farmers said some of the probationers who worked on two vegetable farms in Sumter and Colquitt counties during this summer's pilot program quit because of the heat, long hours and physically taxing jobs they got.

Agriculture Commissioner Gary Black summarized more results from the pilot program Tuesday while testifying before a U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee's Subcommittee on Immigration, Refugees and Boarder Security. One farmer who participated in that program found the probationers to be half as productive as his other workers, Black said in the written testimony he submitted to the subcommittee. Another farmer found only 15 to 20 reliable workers out of 104 probationers.

"There were some obvious challenges with using probation labor, "Black said, "and the two producers found that the probationers were unable to harvest at the same rate as the other workers."

class80olddog
class80olddog

"Farmers argued many U.S. citizens won't pick fruits and vegetables on their fields because the work is extremely hot and physically demanding."  That is a sad commentary on Americans!  So in the probationers story - after they quit the jobs in the fields because they were "too hot and too hard work" , did they just go back to collecting welfare?

class80olddog
class80olddog

@MaureenDowney  So we have lots of people "unemployed" and able to work and drawing welfare, yet we have "labor shortages" that can only be filled with immigrants?  WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE?  (hint: we need to look at the way we administer our welfare program).

ArturoK
ArturoK

@MaureenDowney Ms.Downey/AJC - The growers/slavers, (see 1859) set the wages that workers will be paid without the bargaining power of an all legal workforce. 


The illegals are here because they accept low wages. And you left out the fact that the farmers can bring in an unlimited number of legal foreign workers with the H2A visa, but still hire the illegals because they are cheaper than legal visa workers.  


Black validated this when he told the committee that having accepted the proposed amnesty, the current workers should be forced to remain in the fields to keep their amnesty. Otherwise, they go find an easier occupation. Like they did in 1986.


One more thing: The year 2011 saw a severe drought in Ga, especially S. Ga. The quotes on "loss" fail to mention that droughts kill crops. But your point seems to be that we will always need illegal workers? Not exactly a patriotic business model. You may want to take a close look at the Pew report that shows there are zero occupations that Americans are not already doing.

USMC2841
USMC2841

@MaureenDowney How does one explain the existence of agriculture before the influx of illegal immigrants?  American workers don't do the labor as cheaply as the immigrants but will do it if no other option is available.  It is too easy to live on government assistance instead of working these jobs for low pay.  It's supply and demand.  If I can flood the market with illegal workers it devalues the services of existing workers.  This has led to a generation that historically received basic job skills in the fast food and other industries not developing a work ethic, not showing up on time, and not answering to an authority figure.

someonesdad
someonesdad

@MaureenDowney "There is real evidence that immigrants do jobs Georgians won’t do and that their labor is vital."  LIE.


The truth is this: "There is real evidence that immigrants do jobs Georgians won’t do FOR THE WAGE WE PAY ILLEGALS."  Liberals always leave that part out.


We're paying illegals an illegal wage.  We're breaking the law (twice) to do so.  If we pay the real wage, set by the market, Americans WILL do the work.  And if our only goal is to lower the price of vegetables, make prisoners do the the work free.  Hey, it's just a different law we're breaking.

An American Patriot
An American Patriot

@MaureenDowney But, but, but you have to realize, this is our government doing the talking.  As we have all learned during the presidential election just finished, government employees are not always accurate with their words, i. e., they sometimes lie, and as we have also learned, that may be a gross understatement. You used the words of "one farmer" twice.  Is this the same farmer or two farmers?  It really doesn't matter because using one farmer's experience or even two is not truly indicative of the whole industry.  You see, if these folks were told that if they didn't work, they would not be eligible for any state or federal assistance programs. That would change the dynamics.  We cannot and should not coddle and baby people from cradle to grave.  The opportunity is there for everyone but, sometimes they have to learn the hard way.  My suggestion would to do a story on people who have done it and that would put a positive spin on it instead of always accentuating the negative.  Your comment implies that illegal workers are harder working people than American workers....I say baloney.

class80olddog
class80olddog

This being an education blog - does anyone count the enormous cost of illegal immigration to our schools?  How much do we spend on ELL classes?  The Supreme Court says if we don't deport them, we have to educate them - wouldn't the most reasonable solution be to deport them?  As the author says - there are probably seven billion people who would love to come work in the US (not that they want to become citizens), but we cannot be the world's protector and nursemaid.  We have plenty of our own people to take care of.  How did it work out to effect "regime change" in Iraq?  We took in a Somali family in need (who also spent time in Pakistan) and what thanks did we get?  A terrorist vehicle and knife attack.  When Central American unaccompanied minors sneak across the border, they don't hide - they immediately present themselves to the nearest Border Patrol officer - because they know that nothing will be done to them.  If we had a REAL wall, they would never get to the US and Mexico would have to deal with THEIR failure to control their border and to control their criminals who take the life savings from these people in exchange for the promise of transporting them to a better economic future.  People in these countries need to address their own problems, not allow cowardly rebels hide behind women and children and sick and elderly as they do in Aleppo.

class80olddog
class80olddog

Now is the perfect time to challenge our "birthright citizenship" policy we have in the United States.  We are one of only two "advanced" nations (the other being Canada) that has this policy.  We are one of only 30 countries in the entire world that has this policy.  England doesn't; France doesn't; Germany doesn't - in fact, no European country has this policy.  It has gotten so ridiculous that a Chinese woman lies about being pregnant to get on a plane to the United States, and then when she goes into labor, refuses to push until the airplane enters US airspace! We should start off by the US Attorney General bringing deportation proceedings against a person born in the US of illegal immigrant parents.  There has never been such a case adjudicated.  This case should be taken all the way to the Supreme Court to determine exactly what the words "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" mean - especially the latter part about "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof".  If the Supreme Court upholds our current policy of granting automatic US citizenship, then a Constitutional Amendment should be proposed.  The hurdle of three-quarters ratification of states would be a hard one, but maybe not insurmountable.  It would be worth the effort, since our current policy is so inane - the dirt that lies beneath your feet when you give birth determines the citizenship of your baby? 

iCareAmerica
iCareAmerica

Don't look now but DACA students are not only getting in-state tuition benefits, but some states are providing financial assistance paid by yours truly the taxpayer. President Kiss - where were the private donors when my son was a student and both my husband and I fell victims to unemployment in 2004?As responsible parents (and citizens) we figured it out.  Why does someone that breaks the law get rewarded with education and benefits?  

We have elected officials to uphold the law, not pander to people that break our laws and demand benefits. Secure the border and respect the law.  

ArturoK
ArturoK

So King pleaded guilty to taking bets on football games. I see it was 40 years ago! Oh, Starik, how must you feel about all of the illegal aliens, the criminals who hire them instead of Americans and the politicians who violate  their oath of office to take bribes to look away and to betray America on immigration? All of them are unpunished felons. I see you can't dispute the common sense in his writing, so you attack King personally. How very liberal and tolerant of you!


To see a real creep, check out your mirror. Great reply to the Agnes Scott weeper! Good for the AJC!


HootyGoot
HootyGoot

The last time I looked, Mexicans were doing all the hard work. Get your house painted and your gutters cleaned and you'll see what I mean.

class80olddog
class80olddog

@ArturoK @HootyGoot  That is a very "PC" statement.  When I see construction workers across from my house, and they are brown, and they only speak Spanish to each other, what should I think?  When you ask them a question and all they can say is "Que?".  As they say "Here's your sign!"

MaryElizabethSings
MaryElizabethSings

I'll take compassion over the law.  I remember the Jim Crow laws.  Compassion goes much further in ensuring the continuous evolution of humankind spiritually.

class80olddog
class80olddog

@MaryElizabethSings  Compassion can be misdirected.  It is like the TV ads you see for feeding a child in Africa for only 33 cents a day.  If you feed a stray rabbit in your yard that is hungry, do you decrease or increase suffering - you increase it, because soon you have ten starving rabbits, and if you feed them, you have a hundred starving rabbits.  You have to modify your compassion with wisdom - you counsel people on birth control rather than sending food.  If we accept all the good people who want to leave Mexico, then Mexico will never solve their criminal and corruption issues.  The only long-term solution is for the Mexican people to rise up in arms and vote the corrupt officials out and fight the criminal element seriously.  Mexico could be an absolutely wonderful tourist and retirement haven for Americans - if they fixed their problems.

MaryElizabethSings
MaryElizabethSings

@class80olddog @MaryElizabethSings


I wish you would temper your dislike of public schools with "compassion and wisdom."


Your words sound "logical" but these illegals are already here.  I will still be an advocate for compassion.  One day, if we are still fortunate to be a planet in this universe, we will think of ourselves as Earthlings, not Americans, nor Mexicans, nor Russians.  MLKJr. "We will either live together as brothers, or we will die together as fools."  THAT is wisdom.

class80olddog
class80olddog

@MaryElizabethSings @class80olddog  Until America rules the world (jeez, who does that sound like), we have to confine ourselves to improving only our own country.  BTW - what ever gave you the idea that I disliked public schools - 90% of what I post on here is how to improve public schools.  I have always said I would like to see public schools improve themselves to the point where there would be no need of charters, vouchers, etc - but there does not seem to be any impetus among them to do that, so...

class80olddog
class80olddog

@MaryElizabethSings @class80olddog  By the way, the MOST EFFICIENT way to solve this immigration policy would be to invade Mexico and the Latin American countries and add them to the United States - then their citizens could enjoy our citizenship. Think Russia would let us do that?

MaryElizabethSings
MaryElizabethSings

@class80olddog @MaryElizabethSings  You may want do improve public schools, but you do not do so with compassion nor wisdom.  The real problem is the disenfranchisement in the communities and poverty as a result.  But, you would rather focus on discipline and attendance instead of even acknowledging, much less, addressing the root problem which I just named.  If our politicians in power had real compassion for these disenfranchised people, as well as wisdom, they would be addressing their neighborhoods instead of turning their schools into vehicles for profit.


Btw, I do not want America to rule the world.  I want America to lead the way, with moral authority, to build partnerships in which responsibility for the world's people and the world's literal survival depend.  President Obama understood this, as did his protege Hillary Clinton.


Now, under Trump, I feel as if we are all afloat on a "ship of fools" led by the master magician who has no moral authority because he alone, i.e. through fools in America, wants to rule the world.

someonesdad
someonesdad

@MaryElizabethSings Clueless, knee jerk liberals.  Libs like to say "There is real evidence that immigrants do jobs Georgians won’t do and that their labor is vital."  LIE.


The truth is this: "There is real evidence that immigrants do jobs Georgians won’t do FOR THE WAGE WE PAY ILLEGALS."  Liberals always leave that part out.


We're paying illegals an illegal wage.  We're breaking the law (twice) to do so.  If we pay the real wage, set by the market, Americans WILL do the work.  And if our only goal is to lower the price of vegetables, make prisoners do the the work free.  Hey, it's just a different law we're breaking.

class80olddog
class80olddog

@someonesdad @MaryElizabethSings  Perhaps - but my experience has been in an environment where wages were set by job description, and we did not discriminate by paying one person more than another.  You are correct that there is a supply-and-demand function for workers if you take illegals out of the equation.  If farmers want their harvest picked, they will either buy machinery to do it or pay enough to get it done.  However, it has to be economic - if you have to pay workers $50 an hour to pick Vidalia onions, and so the price has to rise to $5 an onion - most of us would quit buying onions!  That is the same argument I use about an across-the-board $15 and hour minimum wage - if McDonald's has to pay that, either they will buy machines to take the place of the workers or they have to hike their prices - which means a lot of people won't buy their Mcmeals and they have to lay their workers off.

someonesdad
someonesdad

@class80olddog @someonesdad @MaryElizabethSings Exactly.  But if the wage has to be $50, then that's just the way it is.  That's the real wage.  (IIt's not, because then even I would consider trading my cushy office job to work in the great outdoors.)  We can't start paying illegal wages in every industry just to get the price point low enough so that people will  buy the goods.


Heck, imagine how many cars we could sell if we'd just let prisoners (who would work for even less than illegals) and illegals to do the work?

class80olddog
class80olddog

@someonesdad @class80olddog @MaryElizabethSings  That is where supply and demand comes in.  If you sell enough onions at $5 each, then you can afford to pay people a lot to work in the fields.  I agree that illegals CAN drive down wages.  Once the wages for humans gets above a certain point, machinery starts to look better and better.  Why should a business spend $1,000,000 on a complicated machine if they can hire good working, educated workers at a reasonable wage.  When the wage becomes too unreasonable, the company can save money by automating.  A company I worked for in the 80's did just that - put in a machine that eliminated 8 labor positions, and then created three maintenance positions to fix the machine - and also had an additional benefit of reducing injuries!

ArturoK
ArturoK

@MaryElizabethSings Thanks. Pretty sure you just conformed an important part of liberalism. We hope you don't take a dim view of free speech or the law that says your house belongs to you...

Starik
Starik

Who anointed this creep - a convicted felon - as someone worth valuable inches of newsprint?  The AJC should be ashamed.

MaureenDowney
MaureenDowney moderator

@Starik  Here is what the AJC has reported about that:

In 1977, King was convicted on federal gambling charges and sentenced to two years on probation and a fine, according to documents he provided to The Atlanta Journal-Constitution. King said he had worked as a bookie in Alabama for more than two years and got caught in interstate betting on sports.


ArturoK
ArturoK

@Starik So King pleaded guilty to taking bets on football games. I see it was 40 years ago! Oh, Starik, how must you feel about all of the illegal aliens, the criminals who hire them instead of Americans and the politicians who violate  their oath of office to take bribes to look away and to betray America on immigration? All of them are unpunished felons. I see you can't dispute the common sense in his writing, so you attack King personally. How very liberal and tolerant of you!


To see a real creep, check out your mirror. Great reply to the Agnes Scott weeper! Good for the AJC!

class80olddog
class80olddog

@MaureenDowney @Starik  That is because they don't have the lottery.  Because everyone knows that if they don't have legal gambling, there will be no gambling...

class80olddog
class80olddog

@Starik  Usually it is the people who cannot argue with the logic of an article who stoop to ad hominem attacks.