Campus carry causing parents to rule out Georgia colleges. But other states may allow guns on campus.

Nationwide, students are protesting campaigns to open college campuses to firearms. (AJC file)

Many folks are saying on social media posts they won’t send their kids to Georgia public colleges now that Gov. Nathan Deal signed campus carry into law, but will have them attend out-of-state schools.

Parents will have to choose carefully as other states allow guns on campuses, although many give more autonomy to the universities to make the final decision. The new Georgia law does not give public college leaders, parents or students any ability to reject guns in their midst and in their classrooms. (People seem confused on the classroom provision; Georgia’s new law only bans guns in classrooms where there are dual enrolled high school students.)

Make no mistake. This law will have repercussions as only a handful of states have gone this far in forcing their institutions of higher education to accept firearms. Georgia is not joining an illustrious or enviable list.

Here is a summary of state laws from the National Conference of State Legislatures: (I updated the info on Georgia.)

Currently, there are 16 states that ban carrying a concealed weapon on a college campus: California, Florida, Illinois, Louisiana, Massachusetts, Michigan, Missouri, Nebraska, Nevada, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, South Carolina and Wyoming.

In 23 states the decision to ban or allow concealed carry weapons on campuses is made by each college or university individually: Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Indiana, Iowa, Kentucky, Maine, Maryland, Minnesota, Montana, New Hampshire, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Vermont, Virginia, Washington and West Virginia.

Because of recent state legislation and court rulings, 10 states now have provisions allowing the carrying of concealed weapons on public postsecondary campuses. These states are Georgia, Arkansas, Colorado, Idaho, Kansas, Mississippi, Oregon, Texas, Utah and Wisconsin. Not included in above list, Tennessee allows faculty members with licenses to carry weapons on campus but the law does not extend to students or the general public.

Recently passed Kansas legislation creates a provision that colleges and universities cannot prohibit concealed carry unless a building has “adequate security measures.” Governing boards of the institutions, however, may still request an exemption to prohibit for up to four years. Wisconsin legislation creates a provision that colleges and universities must allow concealed carry on campus grounds. Campuses can, however, prohibit weapons from campus buildings if signs are posted at every entrance explicitly stating that weapons are prohibited. All University of Wisconsin system campuses and technical community college districts are said to be putting this signage in place. Legislation passed in Mississippi in 2011 creates an exception to allow concealed carry on college campuses for those who have taken a voluntary course on safe handling and use of firearms by a certified instructor.

Recent court cases have also overturned some long-standing systemwide bans of concealed carry on state college and university campuses. In March 2012, the Colorado Supreme Court ruled that the University of Colorado’s policy banning guns from campus violates the state’s concealed carry law, and in 2011 the Oregon Court of Appeals overturned the Oregon University System’s ban of guns on campuses, allowing those with permits to carry concealed guns on the grounds of these public colleges (Oregon’s State Board of Higher Education retained its authority to have internal policies for certain areas of campus, and adopted a new policy in 2012 that bans guns in campus buildings). In both cases, it was ruled that state law dictates only the legislature can regulate the use, sale and possession of firearms, and therefore these systems had overstepped their authority in issuing the bans.  See the “Guns on Campus: Campus Action,” page for more information on these rulings, board policies and other campuses that allow concealed carry on their grounds.

 

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sp60
sp60

I'll bet this has happened exactly... none. 


Most sane people understand that students won;t be carrying on campus... they are too young to have permits. 


They realize that it will be the staff... teachers, administrators and such that will be carrying, to protect themselves and their kids.



someonesdad
someonesdad

Settle  down liberals.  If you're so worried, take your own gun to campus.  Bunch of pansies.

Ralph-43
Ralph-43

@someonesdad Pansies are the ones who are afraid to go outside without a gun.  Most college students are smarter and more sophisticated than that.  Sorry daddy, your day is over.

someonesdad
someonesdad

@Ralph-43 @someonesdad No, college students are far from smart and sophisticated.  That's hilarious.  They're pampered, brainwashed pansies who are afraid of different points of view and are about to run smack into reality.

tesul99
tesul99

@someonesdad @Ralph-43 And these are the people you think need to carry guns. Go back and see if you can finally finish elementary school idiot.

MissDaisyCook
MissDaisyCook

Baloney.  There will not be any perceptible loss of GA. students to any other state.  This is a made up figure by this reporter.  To think that guns were not already everywhere on campuses, is a foolish notion.  Violence on campuses, with guns or otherwise, will continue; but if only one unjustified killing is stopped by a legally licensed and carrying student, then it is worth it.  Within a few short months this issue will be forgotten and business will be as usual. 

Astropig
Astropig

@MissDaisyCook


"Within a few short months this issue will be forgotten and business will be as usual. "


You are 100% correct. This is just another political proxy battle.The left lost this one,so they're stamping their feet and threatening to take their toys and go home.It's all hot air.

TaxiSmith
TaxiSmith

I wonder if colleges (and their police forces) had done a better job protecting our students (see Ga. State, Ga. Tech) whether this bill would ever have passed. My son went to Ga. State and often complained about the downtown streets and absence of security. We sent our daughter to. North Georgia because of Atlanta crime.

Ralph-43
Ralph-43

@TaxiSmith Time for 'Stop and Frisk'.  The citizens have to make it happen because 'Black Lives Matter' will always claim it is racial profiling.  Deal is too timid and afraid of the N.R.A. to actually do anything constructive.  'Guns Everywhere' has escalated gun violence and everybody knows it.

P-Evans
P-Evans

@Ralph-43 @TaxiSmith  Ralph, you stated "'Guns Everywhere' has escalated gun violence and everybody knows it."

If you are referring to HB 60 from 2014 called "Guns Everywhere", please tell me exactly where is the epidemic of violence from licensed carriers of firearms?

You do know that HB 60 did not legalize unlicensed citizens to carry guns on their person in public, don't you? So where are all these licensed carriers shooting up the place - you know, the "escalated gun violence".

Self-defense shootings don't count. I'm talking about illegal shootings by licensed carriers caused by HB 60 since 2014.

For example, HB 60 legalized carrying firearms into government buildings that don't implement screening, by licensed-to-carry citizens. Have there been any shootings in any of those buildings since then?

HB 60 also allow licensed citizens to carry into churches that opted into the law. Any shootings in those churches since then?

I could go on and on about either the total lack of any kind of shootings, or at least the lack of any illegal shootings by licensed carriers from the various places opened up to licensed citizens by HB 60.

The facts simply debunk the rotten bologna you've spouted here.

P-Evans
P-Evans

@Ralph-43 @TaxiSmith  Ralph, you stated "'Guns Everywhere' has escalated gun violence and everybody knows it."

If you are referring to HB 60 from 2014 called "Guns Everywhere", please tell me exactly where is the epidemic of violence from licensed carriers of firearms?

You do know that HB 60 did not legalize unlicensed citizens to carry guns on their person in public, don't you? So where are all these licensed carriers shooting up the place - you know, the "escalated gun violence"?

Self-defense shootings don't count. I'm talking about illegal shootings by licensed carriers caused by HB 60 since 2014.

For example, HB 60 legalized carrying firearms into government buildings that don't implement screening, by licensed-to-carry citizens. Have there been any shootings in any of those buildings since then?

HB 60 also allow licensed citizens to carry into churches that opted into the law. Any shootings in those churches since then?

I could go on and on about either the total lack of any kind of shootings, or at least the lack of any illegal shootings by licensed carriers from the various places opened up to licensed citizens by HB 60.

The facts simply debunk the rotten bologna you've spouted here.

Phillip Evans (at least I put my real last name here)

Joan Conway
Joan Conway

I agree. Students should not carry guns. Not a level of maturity and they drink too much. Governor Deal made a mistake there!

sp60
sp60

Jeesh people... Do a little research instead of having your opinion spoon-fed to you by the Liberals at Cox and AJC. 


You cannot get a permit unless you are 21 in literally every state. 


That means only seniors would even have the option of carrying as undergraduate students. 


The whole point of this law is to get rid of the 'no guns' signs that make school campuses into killing zones by removing any deterrent that might actually make a psycho or criminal think twice. 




JK1951
JK1951

Many firearms are in vehicles located in campus parking already despite the laws. How many more are going to contain firearms because of this law? Likely none and those that do are law abiding citizens exercising their constitutional rights. Those that want to carry are already doing it. They may have them in the car, stuffed in a purse,  IWB holster, book bag or pocket but there's nothing stopping them now if they want to carry concealed.

sp60
sp60

@JK1951

The fact that it's illegal stops law abiding people from carrying on campus. 


Permit holders are less likely to commit a crime than police officers are. Carrying on campus, up until now, has been a major crime.


The people who ignore those laws are criminals, and that's what the 'gun free zone' laws did... create a safe work environment for psychotics and criminals looking to rack up a body count. 



Ralph-43
Ralph-43

Good grades, stellar reputation, evidence of maturation and hard work, SAT scores above average?  No sir.  Early admission obtained through the 'quick draw' and 'marksmanship' contest.  If you have a gang banger notch on your 9 mm - choice dorm room and HOPE scholarship as well.  We no longer want those 'elites' parading around with their complicated sentences and multiple syllable words - we want thugs speaking one syllable Anglo Saxonisms graduating with the 'Stars and Bars' tattooed on their foreheads. 

sp60
sp60

@Ralph-43


Probably the most nonsensical and hate-filled thing I've read today. 


Nit Wit
Nit Wit

I bet the parents of the dead students at VA Tech wish another student had been carrying a concealed weapon.

dsmtward
dsmtward

Thanks for the information. Our two children now will be heading out-of-state as well. I think the Hope scholarship was designed in-part to stop the brain drain in Georgia. So much for that. Clearly the money behind the NRA is far more important to our politicians...

cinthea
cinthea

Maybe this was his way of saving hope scolarship money? Not sure but this is completely disappointing - society wise. And because I wanted Georgia to be better than this. Per usual, the NRA and money are more important.

This would have made me SO uncomfortable in college. Can colleges overrule this (I didn't think so) Only private ones - right?

How are the colleges even accepting this? Tech, UGA, state - i'm looking at you.

Astropig
Astropig

@dsmtward


" Our two children now will be heading out-of-state as well."


I think that you can expect a visit soon from the president,provost and chancellor of whatever college your kid was to attend,begging you not to let them go somewhere else.


You should hear the doorbell any minute now.

sp60
sp60

@dsmtward


So, what state will you send them to? 


Univ. of Chicago is nice I hear... and downtown Chicago, with it's incredibly restrictive gun laws must be safe as houses. 


Steven The Badger
Steven The Badger

What a complete moron of a governor that we have! You just signed a bill into law that’s going to get people killed by law enforcement. As a police officer that currently works in metro Atlanta, I think about the situation like this. Police receive a call about an active shooter on a college campus. That call is not only going to go out to the college police departments but also to every damn agency within a 100 mile radius. And you can bet your last dollar, EVERY agency is going to converge on that campus! There are over 50 law enforcement agencies (local, state and federal) in Fulton County alone. As we are trained and have been trained for several years now, we are going directly in to eliminate the threat. We start clearing buildings and you run across some student with a weapon in their hand, no one is waiting to see if this person is some student with a weapons permit or not. More than likely, that person is going to be shot. There’s absolutely NOTHING POSITIVE, that’s going to come of this. I’m all for people having the right to bear arms, but some of this s**t is getting out of hand! Please stop and look at the people you put in office and I mean that all the way around, left, right and everything in between.

cinthea
cinthea

I honestly can't believe it has come to this.

BDCoole
BDCoole

Is that what happened at Hartfield-Jackson when some idiot walked in with his AR-15? Are you saying you and all other officers are always going to shoot a civilian with gun in their hand, with no judgment needed?

sp60
sp60

@Steven The Badger


And that situation has happened exactly... never. 


And honestly, what makes this any different than any other situation the police are called to?


If cops start shooting people who just stopped the next Sandy Hook... there will be a lot of cops looking for new jobs. 


In reality though, our job as citizens is not to be good victims until cops can show up and take a report. If a citizen can stop an attack, then good on them. 


All they need to do when the cops show up is comply with the officers orders. Or are you saying that the cops will just shoot first and ask questions later? 


That kind of makes me think you are an Internet 'cop', and not a real one. 


sp60
sp60

@Steven The Badger @cinthea


Blame the anti-gun folks. 


When they pushed through the 'gun free zone' laws back in the 1990s, the NRA warned everyone that all it would do would be create free-fire zones in these areas. 


Since then, some 90% or more of the mass-attacks we've seen have taken place in 'gun free' zones. 



cinthea
cinthea

Let's just mandate guns in churches, hospitals, grade schooled and jails. Let's really just burn this state down.

With all of the issues currently facing us, why directly after an NRA convention did this become priority? HMMMMMM

sp60
sp60

@cinthea


It was passed way before the convention. 


And excepting jails, we should definitely make it legal to have lawful carry everywhere. 


The world is a safer place when we do... since criminals hate attacking armed victims. 


Val Smith
Val Smith

Yippee kayay folks. Can't imagine why y'all wouldn't want your teenager on our Wild West campuses. What could possibly go wrong?

NurseRatchet
NurseRatchet

So glad my granddaughter will be going to Mount Holyoke, a private women's college near Boston.  No one there feels the need to prove their manhood by toting a firearm.  

MotocrossSurvivor
MotocrossSurvivor

The stats show that Joe citizen/student is more likely to be killed by a cop with a gun.

hasher
hasher

@MotocrossSurvivor @lolTechies @Ralph-43 Trumps' policies are worthy of hatred.  Kill the educated seems to be his mantra.  Ignore the wisdom of the enlightenment and every scientific advance sense.  Blame the immigrant, the poor and the sick, that is the message from Dumpster.

Starik
Starik

In between the politically driven extremists on both sides there's a middle ground. Some people are terrified by guns because they never used one. Others grew up with guns and are comfortable with them.  If somebody with a concealed weapon permit has a concealed pistol one on campus it shouldn't be a problem. If somebody wants to strut around openly wearing a pistol it is disturbing to many folks and is completely unnecessary. Permit holders are older students, and likely to live off campus. If the area is dangerous at night it's reasonable to allow people to have weapons if they want one.  They can, as Lexi states, be useful in rare situations.

redweather
redweather

@Starik Although there is usually a difference in maturity levels between 18 and 21 year olds, there is every likelihood that 21 year olds will be coming in contact with less mature students. If I still had college aged children, I would advise them against obtaining a CC permit and bringing a firearm to campus. Too many things could go wrong.

Lexi3
Lexi3

Gee, I guess that means seats in the classrooms will be unoccupied--but not because some nut shot up a campus.

"In fact, some mass shootings have been stopped by armed citizens. Though press accounts downplayed it, the 2002 shooting at Appalachian Law School was stopped when a student retrieved a gun from his car and confronted the shooter. Likewise, Pearl, Miss., school shooter Luke Woodham was stopped when the school's vice principal took a .45 from his truck and ran to the scene. In February's Utah mall shooting, it was an off-duty police officer who happened to be on the scene and carrying a gun...'Gun-free zones'are premised on a fantasy: That murderers will follow rules, and that people like my student, or Bradford Wiles, are a greater danger to those around them than crazed killers like Cho Seung-hui. That's an insult. Sometimes, it's a deadly one." http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/people-don-stop-killers-people-guns-article-1.211272